"No law west of..."

Sun Jan 11 00:33:09 UTC 2009

I stand corrected as to the first appearance of "law west of the Pecos."
Here's a slight antedating of the variant including El Paso:

1943 C. L. Sonnichsen _Roy Bean: Law West of the Pecos_ (N.Y.: Macmillan)
73: Yes, the Pecos country still looks the same, but people no longer say,
as they did then, "West of the Pecos there is no law and west of El Paso
there is no God."

JL

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Sam Clements <SClements at neo.rr.com> wrote:

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> I suggest reading Barry Popik's blog,
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> http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/west_of_the_pecos_there_is_no_law_west_of_el_paso_there_is_no_god/
> where there is a Washington Post 1892 cite which says "The bonanza days of
> '49 developed some very queer characters in the West and Texas comes in for
> her share of them. Most of these old-timers are under the sod long ago, but
> there are a few of them left, and about the most original is old Ray Bean,
> "Law West of the Pecos," as he called himself"
>
> Sam Clements
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>  Have read or heard this formula more than once, but how "common" any
> version
> of it was in the Wild West is anybody's guess.
> Perhaps not surprisingly, most of the exx. are related to Kansas or Texas.
>
> The 1902 ex. seems to be the first appearance in print of Judge Roy Bean's
> famous motto, "Law West of the Pecos," as well as the seemingly older
> negative version.  Bean (1825-1903) was appointed Justice of the Peace for
> Precinct 6, Pecos County, Tex., in 1882.
>
>
>
> 1874 _Wichita Weekly Beacon_ (Oct. 28),  cited in Joseph G. Rosa _They
> Called Him Wild Bill_ (Norman: U. of Okla. Press, 1964) 135: [I]t was Wild
> Bill who said there was "no Sunday west of Junction City, no law west of
> Hays City, and no God west of Carson City."
>
> 1874 _Scribner's Monthly_ VIII (July) 280:  Kansas City...was graceless
> enough to be thus touchingly characterized by one of the rude men of the
> frontier: "There's no railroad west of Junction City, no law west of Kansas
> City, and no God west of Hays' City."
>
> 1893 _Idaho Daily Statesman_ (Boise, Ida.) (Aug. 30) 6: The fugitives used
> to say there was no Sunday west of the Sabine, no law west of Trinity
> [sic],
> and no God west of the Brazos.
>
> 1898 _Evening News_ (San Jose, Calif.) (Aug. 27) 7: This...reminded me of
> the formula in use in Texas when I was there in 1867: "There is no Sunday
> west of the Trinity, no law west of the Brazos and no God west of the
> Colorado."
>
> 1902 _Fort Worth Telegram_ (Nov. 23) 17: So long have conditions of
> outlawry
> existed in certain parts of the west, that it has passed into a proverb
> that
> "there is no law west of the Pecos" - a river in Texas that marks the
> boundary line between "God's country" and that of the "Greasers." But...now
> there is a law west of the Pecos, and Justice Roy Bean is that law.
>
> ca1902 in James D. Horan & Paul Sann _Pictorial History of the Wild West_
> (N.Y.: Crown, 1954) 139 [clearly legible signs in photo of Roy Bean's
> saloon
> in Langtry, Tex.] : JUDGE ROY BEAN Notary Public LAW WEST OF THE PECOS.
>
> 1907 _ N.Y. Times_ (Oct. 26) BR684: [W]hen there was no law west of
> Independence and no God west of Dodge City.
>
> 1929 W.J. Ghent _The Road to Oregon_ (London: Longmans Green) 109: The old
> saying of trapper days that there was "no law west of Leavenworth" had no
> application to these moving communities.
>
> 1931 Stuart M. Lake _Wyatt Earp, Frontier Marshal_ (Boston: Houghton
> Mifflin) 3: Wyatt Earp, of the sixth American-born generation of his
> family,
> was destined to a time and territory of which it was written that there was
> no law west of Kansas City and, west of Fort Scott, no God.
>
> 1936 Lorrin A. Thurston _Writings_ (Honolulu: Advertiser Pub. Co.) 7:
>  There was "no God and no law west of Cape Horn."
>
> 1936   Waldemar Young, Harold Lamb, & Lynn Riggs _The Plainsman_ (film):
> [Wild Bill Hickock *loq*.:] Well, there's no Sunday west of Junction City,
> no law west of Hays City and no God west of Carson City.
>
> 1939 Robert Buckner _Dodge City_ (film): They say there's no law west of
> Chicago. And west of Dodge City, no God!
>
> 1955  _Kansas Historical Qly._ XXI 588: [T]here was no law west of Dodge
> City and no God west of Fort Worth.
>
> 1959 Richard O'Connor _Wild Bill Hickock_ (Garden City, N.Y.: Doubleday)
> 145: Highhanded, yes, but there was "no law west of Abilene and no God west
> of Hays,"
>
> 1964  Irvin M. Peithmann _Broken Peace Pipes_  (Springfield, Ill.: Charles
> C. Thomas) 139: And so did the reminders of the days epitomized by the
> slogan, "West of Dodge City, no law— west of Virginia City, no God."
>
> 1966  Clark C. Spence _The American West_ (N.Y.: Thomas Y. Crowell) 404:
> The
> old adage "no law west of Abilene; no God west of Dodge City" is hardly an
> accurate description of conditions in the West.
>
> 1966 _Florence (S.C.) Morning News_ (June 3) 2-A: West of St. Louis Was No
> Law - West of Dodge Was No God.
>
> 1969 Marshall Fishwick _The Hero American Style_ (N.Y.: David McKay) 147:
> Everyone knew there was no law west of the Mississippi and no God west of
> the Pecos.
>
> 1970 Andrew J. Fenady _Chisum_ (film): You know, there's an old saying,
> Miss
> Sally: "There's no law west of Dodge and no God west of the Pecos."
>
> 1970 _ Time_ (Aug. 3)
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,876710,00.html : "Well,"
> says one character, "everybody knows there's no law west of the Pecos and
> no
> God west of Dodge."
>
> 1970 LeRoy R. Hafen, W. Eugene Hollon, & Carl Coke Rister _Western America_
> (Englewood Cliffs, N.J.: Prentice-Hall) 370: Then the mines were reopened
> and the settlers who returned helped Arizona to establish its reputation as
> the toughest territory in the West. There was "no law west of the Pecos and
> no God west of Tucson."
>
> 1976 _Centralia (Wash.) Daily Chronicle_  (Apr. 24) W-7:  And it was agreed
> that "There's no law west of Ellsworth - and no God west of Hays."
>
> 1983 Michael T. Kingston, Ruth Harris, & Erma Bailey _The Texas Almanac
> and State Industrial Guide 1984-1985_   (Dallas: A.H. Belo) 42:  Legend
> held
> that there was no law west of the Pecos, and there was no God west of El
> Paso.
>
> 1985 Rodney Stark & William Sims Bainbridge _The Future of Religion_
> (Berkeley: U. of Calif. Press) 73: There is a saying from frontier times
> that "There's no law west of Dodge City, and no God west of Laramie.
> Frisco's west of both of them."
>
> 1986  Archie P. McDonald_The Texas Experience_  (Texas A&M Press) 72:"West
> of Kansas City there is no law; west of Dodge City there is no God" is a
> saying from the era of the Texas cattle drives.
>
> 1988   Michael Wallis _Oil Man_ (Rpt. N.Y.: Macmillan, 1995) 56: The common
> saying of those turbulent years in the territory was: "There's no God west
> of St. Louis and no law west of Fort Smith."
>
> 1992 in Annie Dillard _The Annie Dillard Reader_ (N.Y.: HarperCollins,
> 1994)
> 94:  He knew that forty years ago in the west they used to say, "Ain't no
> law west of Saint Louis, and no God west of Fort Smith."
>
> 2000 Sara R. Massey _Black Cowboys of Texas_ (Texas A& M Press) 149: As one
> writer noted, there was "no law west of Kansas City [and] no God west of
> Fort Scott."
>
> 1997 Matt Braun _Doc Holliday: The Gunfighter_ (N.Y.: St. Martin's) 55: No
> law west of Fort Worth, and no God in west Texas.
>
> 2003 Warren Getler & Bob Brewer _Shadow of the Sentinel_ (N.Y.: Simon &
> Schuster) 4: The ill-defined border between frontier Arkansas and the
> Indian
>  Nations territory to the west was a haven for every fugitive from
> justice,
> giving rise to the maxim, "There is no law west of Little Rock, and no God
> west of Fort Smith."
>
> 2003 Cecil L. Milliner _Ports of Call_ (Lincoln, Neb.: iUniverse) 132: It
> was said there was "No law west of Abilene and no god west of the Pecos."
>
> 2003 Bill Harvey  _Texas Cemeteries_ (Austin: U. of Texas Press) 112:
> Rangers were summoned to provide law enforcement in an area of which it was
> said, "West of the Pecos there is no law; west of El Paso, there is no
> God."
>
> 2006 Chris Enss _How the West Was Worn: Bustles and Buckskins on the Wild
> Frontier_  (Guilford, Conn.: Globe Pequot Press) 64: I heard someone say
> that there was no Sunday west of Independence, no law west of Dodge City,
> and no God west of Fort Bridger.
>
> 2008 _Real Estate Blog_ [
> http://activerain.com/blogsview/557051/The-Mortgage-Transparency-Train]: I
> am reminded of an old wild west philosophy: there's no law west of the
> Missouri and no God west of Texas.
>
> JL
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