Antedating "and them"

[Jonathan Lighter]

Though widely familiar to others here, it still sounds weird to me. I never
heard it in NYC.

1918 Ring Lardner _Treat 'Em Rough_ (Indianapolis: Bobbs-Merrill) 13: I
guess if Van Hindburg and them could of seen us you wouldn't of needed a
close line no more to take their chest measure.

The "writer" is a baseball pitcher from the rural Midwest.

JL

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