'Jazz" discussed in baseball research group -- supposed musical antedatings in Newspaper Archives

[Gerald Cohen]

My thanks to Doug and Sam. Also, I checked the supposed April 10, 1909 and
the May 9, 1909 jazz quotes in the Evening Telegram (Elyria, Ohio).  They
are both from 1919, not 1909.

Gerald Cohen


On 7/12/09 4:15 PM, "Sam Clements" <SClements at NEO.RR.COM> wrote:

>
> Jerry,
>
> Unless I've misread your post, the person who originally sent these cites
> obviously had no "real" access to Newspaper Archive.  Note the garbled
> spelling in the texts.
>
> If they had such, they could have checked to see if the dates on the
> mastheads matched the supposed cite dates.
>
> Sam Clements
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Douglas G. Wilson" <douglas at NB.NET>
> To: <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 17:04
> Subject: Re: 'Jazz" discussed in baseball research group -- supposed musical
> antedatings in Newspaper Archives
>
>
>> Gerald Cohen wrote:
>>> ....
>>>>> found various prior mentions of the term jazz  in reference to music.
>>>>> But are these references reliable?
>> No. They are generally (I think all) bogus.
>>
>> I have done the same search myself, as have others (I suppose many
>> others); maybe we've missed something, but it is obviously unbelievable
>> that ALL of us simply overlooked ALL of these readily available "early
>> citations"!
>>
>> Of course N'archive is no more reliable than other digitized stuff, and
>> many of the papers are wrongly dated. One must always seek internal
>> evidence of the date if it's important. One must also examine the actual
>> image to be sure that there is not an OCR error (these are very frequent).
>>
>> Note too that one must be able to date the relevant page imaged (not
>> just the issue) since sometimes pages are mixed.
>>
>> -- Doug Wilson
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