pron. of just

[Tom Zurinskas]

> Z's "system" cannot abide free variation, let alone dialect variation

Of course this is nonsense.  I just explained how truespel spells out the many sounds of schwa which most dictionaries do not.  m-w.com notation cannot do this.  I would suppose IPA which uses schwa could not as well.

I'm becoming more and more disillusioned with m-w.com.  I think thefreedictionary.com/ seems better.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
see truespel.com













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> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:34:45 -0500
> From: RonButters at AOL.COM
> Subject: Re: Re: [ADS-L] pron. of just
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> Herb,
> I am sure that TZ cannot quite get away from being influenced bny the=20
> conventional spelling of vowels. However, it seems to me that part of the pr=
> oblem is=20
> that the arrogant Mr. Z refuses to acknowledge (1) the possibility that his=20
> "ear" may be wrong and (2) that the pronunciations of normally variable=20
> syllables do not HAVE TO BE (in the prescriptive sense) whatever chance vari=
> ation may=20
> occur (or he thinks he hears) in the sound file in the pronunciation on the=20
> M-W web site. So if the voice says (or seems to TZ to say) [sekrIteri] (wher=
> e by=20
> [l] I intend to indicate a barred-cap-i and by the [i] to indicate a=20
> barred-noncap-i) then that is the ONLY POSSIBLE "CORRECT" PRONUNCIATION of t=
> he vowel=20
> in the second syllable. But if Z hears a schwa instead of [I], then he=20
> believes that "secretary" MUST be pronounced with a schwa and [I] is not jus=
> t=20
> variable, it is WRONG. So he gets confused when he sees M-W (which is appare=
> ntly=20
> written by God) representing these phonetic variations with a schwa, and tha=
> t is=20
> why he says that schwa is a symbol that represents several sounds. It does n=
> ot=20
> matter what the IPA says, what matters for him is the behavior of the sacred=
> =20
> text, the M-W (and of course the so fine an ear with which he is gifted, to=20
> paraphrase Yeats).
>
> Z's "system" cannot abide free variation, let alone dialect variation.=20
>
>
> In a message dated 2/28/09 6:46:42 PM, hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM writes:
>
>
>> I checked the IPA web site.=A0 The IPA shows schwa in its vowel chart
>> specifically as an unrounded mid central vowel
>> (http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/vowels.html).=A0 The IPA transcription of
>> "International Phonetic Association" represents the RP pronunciation
>> in which all five schwas are that unrounded mid central vowel.=A0 They
>> do not represent other vowel sounds.=A0 They may correspond to different
>> spellings, but that's irrelevant.=A0 And note that "association" is
>> transcribed with a final syllabic /n/.
>>=20
>> Herb
>>=20
>
>
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