pron. of just

[Tom Zurinskas]

I agree with what you say.  The Upside down v is the "uh" sound (in "hut,bug,rust" as I hear it in the talking chart.  It is what is called short u ~u as I've always known it.

I agree with what you say "there are several symbols in the ipa that can capture all the vowels -- the actual sounds -- that you are choosing to call
schwa."  But remember, it's others using schwa.  I'm not the one using schwa for any sounds at all.  I don't think the IPA misses any sound of USA English but haven't examined it directly.  Some sounds seem similar differing only in pitch.  The sounds should be spoken in the same pitch.

I do think that English dictionairies have a sufficient set of 40 phonemes to describe USA English.  I've rewritten English using that set of phonemes with an English friendly way of foespeleeng them.  This makes foespeleeng simple, email, filename, copy/paste, spreadsheet, capitalization, and punctuation friendly, and accessible to even children.  These are all advantages over IPA

I'm generating children's books with truespel next to tradspel.  Are there any with IPA like that for use by USA educators?


Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
see truespel.com


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> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:17:01 -0500
> From: mcovarru at PURDUE.EDU
> Subject: Re: pron. of just
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> On Mar 1, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>
>> Nonsense. What's your point? Take a look at the chart yourself and
>> tell us what you see. Or play it at http://www.phonetics.ucla.edu/course/chapter1/vowels.html
>> Is schwa correct for the vowels in "hut, rug, rust" as spoken in m-
>> w.com?
>>>
>>>
>
> you might want to consider the difference between a symbol and the
> phoneme it represents.
>
> you said that ipa cannot show that the schwa is more than one sound.
> forget that the 'e' rotated 180 degrees is often *called* a schwa. the
> label isn't relevant to the ability of the ipa to represent various
> vowels. but if we are using "schwa" to indicate a reduced and
> unstressed vowel there are several symbols in the ipa that can capture
> all the vowels -- the actual sounds -- that you are choosing to call
> schwa.
>
> a broad ipa transcription for the words you list (hut rug rust) would
> in most english dialects be the open mid back unrounded, or strut
> vowel, which looks like an upside down 'v'. the mid central vowel
> (which symbol is often called the schwa) is one specific range of
> vowel -- yes. but all the variations, the actual sounds that you
> suggest we call "schwa" can more accurately and descriptively be
> described using the corresponding ipa representations or symbols.
>
> study with someone who understands how the international phonetic
> alphabet is organized and labeled. what you call the various types of
> schwa are given distinct labels in the ipa depending on their
> articulation.
>
> michael
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