"Soldier"

[Bill Palmer]

ah yes, the one who feeds his horse on corn & beans..."um des Rhymes Willen"
no doubt.

Bill
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> And then there's "Captain Jinks of the Horse Marines"  whose brag rag
> ends with "Though a captain in the Army."
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> On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
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>> I'm unclear what is a "technical context".  The word 'marine" goes
>> back to 1672, of course (OED).  In American newspapers going back to
>> 1704 (the first year of the first American newspaper) there are
>> articles using the term taken from English newspapers.
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>> In 1706 Joseph Dudley, the governor of Massachusetts, issued "A
>> PROCLAMATION, For the better Regulation of Seamen and
>> Marines."  Boston News-Letter, 1706 Nov. 4, page 3.  [EAN]  This
>> clearly originated in America, and distinguishes sailors from
>> "soldiers" -- although it applies to the marines of the royal navy.
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>> On Nov. 15, 1739, the King said to Parliament "And as in the
>> Prosecution of this War, a Number of Soldiers, to serve on board the
>> Fleet, may be requisiste; I have judged it proper, that a Body of
>> Marines should be raised."  Boston News-Letter, 1740 March 6, page
>> 1.  [EAN]
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>> In the same issue of the BNL, page 2, a dispatch from London says
>> "Two Thousand Five Hundred Marine Soldiers are to be raised for his
>> Majesty's Service.
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>> Joel
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>> At 2/28/2009 02:59 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>>> "Soldiers," so far as I know, except in technical contexts.
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>>> JL
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>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net>
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>>>> At 2/27/2009 05:55 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>>>>>  (I doubt that any American much cared whether they
>>>>> called foreign marines "soldiers" or not.)
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>>>> What did the American colonials call the English marines?  This may
>>>> go back to before the Revolution, to the 1740 War of Jenkins' Ear,
>>>> when Americans joined the British expedition in the Caribbean.
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>>>> Joel
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