"to stay" vs. "to live" (reside)

[Bill Palmer]

OK, thank you, Ron.

Here's another North Carolinaism, or at least I've never heard it anywhere
else, and in fact I've only heard it once there.

"early of a morning".  In the sense of "early in the morning".  e.g. "I
enjoy sitting outside, early of a morning."

Speaker was an early 80ish woman from north central NC (Vance County).
Don't know if it was unique to her idiolect, or in general use in that area.

Bill Palmer


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> It occurs in the speech of both whites and blacks in the speech of people
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> I have no scientific research to support my observation, but in my nearly
> 50
> years of life in the South (5 different states), I do not *recall* ever
> hearing a white person use "stay" as as a substitute for "live".  My black
> students who showed this preference were mostly from southern states...but
> not exclusively, so it is definitely not a purely southern thing.
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> Bill Palmer
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>> If this is true, then why do rural whites (and blacks) in the South use
>> "stay" = 'reside'? Is there even a shred of evidence for Margaret's
>> explanation? It looks like just another fanciful folk  conjecture.
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>> This topic was discussed on this list several years ago.
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>> African Americans' use of "stay" for "live" relates to the migration of
>> blacks from the South to the North in the early 1900's. Those
>> newly-arrived would often "stay" with family members or friends who had
>> migrated there earlier until they could find a place of their own--many
>> never did, given the harsh economic realities of the time,  and ended up
>> "staying" with a family member or friend for long periods of time
>> (years),
>> or moving from place to place with no permanent residence in which to
>> "live." As a result, in the African American community, the term "stay"
>> gradually became synonymous with "live,"  though it originally referred
>> to
>> residing in temporary lodging. I hear it used often by my students who
>> have established, permanent addresses.
>>
>> -- Margaret Lee
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>> ________________________________________
>> Margaret G. Lee, Ph.D.
>> Adjunct Professor of English & Linguistics
>> Department of English
>> Hampton University
>> Hampton, VA 23668
>> 757-727-5769(voice);757-727-5084(fax)
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>> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Bill Palmer <w_a_palmer at BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
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>> From: Bill Palmer <w_a_palmer at BELLSOUTH.NET>
>> Subject: "to stay" vs. "to live" (reside)
>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 1:18 AM
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>> I taught for a number of years @ a historically black university in NC.
>> 100% of my students used phrases like "where do you *stay*", or "I don't
>> *stay* with my parents"...situations where the average white person would
>> use *live*
>>
>> How might this have originated?
>>
>> Bill Palmer
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