"to stay" vs. "to live" (reside)

[ronbutters at AOL.COM]

So they were just using "stay" in the usual sense, not the sense of 'dwell'.

The two senses do overlap so considerably that it is not always clear what the speaker intends. The difference (in the standard usage) is just in how temporary was the residing in the mind of the speaker. But one can also say, "I moved to Lamond Avenue in 1990 and I stayed there 12 years."

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From: Margaret Lee <mlee303 at YAHOO.COM>

Date:         Mon, 9 Mar 2009 03:56:16
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In response to Ron Butters' comment below:

I have evidence from my own family-- aunts and uncles, and older cousins--who migrated from rural Virginia to northern states during the late 1930's and '40's and into the '50's.  On their return visits to family in Virginia or my visits with them, they would often talk about their housing situations (who "stayed" where, with whom, and why) so I have observed their and their children's use of "stay" for "live" most of my life.

--Margaret Lee

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> If this is true, then why do rural whites (and blacks) in the South use
> "stay" = 'reside'? Is there even a shred of evidence for Margaret's
> explanation? It looks like just another fanciful folk  conjecture.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Margaret Lee
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> This topic was discussed on this list several years ago.
>
> African Americans' use of "stay" for "live" relates to the migration of
> blacks from the South to the North in the early 1900's. Those
> newly-arrived would often "stay" with family members or friends who had
> migrated there earlier until they could find a place of their own--many
> never did, given the harsh economic realities of the time,  and ended up
> "staying" with a family member or friend for long periods of time (years),
> or moving from place to place with no permanent residence in which to
> "live." As a result, in the African American community, the term "stay"
> gradually became synonymous with "live,"  though it originally referred to
> residing in temporary lodging. I hear it used often by my students who
> have established, permanent addresses.
>
> -- Margaret Lee
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> Hampton University
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> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Bill Palmer <w_a_palmer at BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
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>
> From: Bill Palmer <w_a_palmer at BELLSOUTH.NET>
> Subject: "to stay" vs. "to live" (reside)
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 1:18 AM
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>
> I taught for a number of years @ a historically black university in NC.
> 100% of my students used phrases like "where do you *stay*", or "I don't
> *stay* with my parents"...situations where the average white person would
> use *live*
>
> How might this have originated?
>
> Bill Palmer
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