music genres

[Wilson Gray]

the sponsored links that came with your post have three instances of
"hip hop" and one of "hiphop." In my BE drawl, I say "hip hop,"
definitely separate syllables, both beginning with /h/. If I feel like
increasing my rate of speech, I can get to [hIphap], but [hIpap]? It
ain't no days like that.

FWIW, "the *real* soul brother," to use Richard Pryor's phrase,
doesn't have much contact with first-generation, alien black people.
When I was in the Army, even the B-girls in the black Ami-Bars
distinguished American-born black GI's from the Caribbean-born - on
the basis of dialect, I assume, there being no other obvious
distinction - by ignoring the latter, as though they were white. In
odd like manner, this accorded with the treatment given black GI's who
visited white Ami-Bars: the "girls" - ranging in age from ca.25 to
ca.40 - simply ignored them. They could get served. But, they couldn't
get no, um, satisfaction, couldn't get no, um, girl reaction,
rendering the whole exercise pointless.

-Wilson
–––
All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"---a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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-Mark Twain



On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Victor <aardvark66 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I am sure others have run into this before--but I have not checked the
> ADS-L archives for specifics. I am always at a quandary whether to write
> "hip-pop" or "hip-hop" (never mind the hyphenation questions or whether
> to just give up and recategorize everything as "rap"). I bump into this
> question every once in a while, usually when either reading something
> that has inconsistent use or trying to compose (no pun intended) a
> statement myself. I just peeked on Google and got 25+M ghits on
> "hip-hop" and 197M ghits on "hip-pop". But that's misleading. The second
> search appears to include everything that popped up on the first. Wiki
> article is "Hip Hop" (no hyphen). But searching Wiki for "hip pop"
> redirects to the same article. To make matters worse, there is no
> difference in pronunciation at all, for most people. This leaves me...
> confused. I have long assumed that the two terms are simply
> interchangeable, but every once in a while doubt creeps in. Today is one
> of those "onces".
>
> There is also an assortment of associated issues--etymology, for one.
> Was one initially in dominant use and the other just eggcorned itself
> onto it? Or did they coexist from the beginning. Wiki suggests that the
> genre--if not the term--originated in the 1970 NYC. Don't know how
> accurate that is either. There is seems to be a relation to a style of
> reggae that appears to have originated in the mid 1980s, when Jamaican
> clubs switched from marijuana to cocaine (we used to call it "coke rap"
> or "crap", for short--it really was quite intolerable to listen to for
> an unaccustomed ear). But, ultimately, this is not a musicology
> question. I am curious how the name evolved.
>
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