Uvular /l/ (Was: velarized /l/ again)

Fri Mar 13 01:30:09 UTC 2009

You're inventing your own imprecise terminology for concepts and
objects for what carefully developed, well-founded terms exist, but
for some reason you choose not to learn them.  They're in books
written by people, people who have studied this stuff and know what
they're doing.

Herb

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I can make that "l" fricative sound.  Just keep the tongue flat and pinch the cheeks in and get a fricative around the tongue and cheeks when making an "l".
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> I Can't do a velar or uvular "l" if I try.  I would say "l" is not velar of uvular at all, alveolar.
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> I think "l" works like "m".  where for "m" there is a vocal component while the lips are together then releases when the lips part to say a vowel.  Just so the "l" has a vocal (vowelish) component that releases when the tongue flaps down.
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> Most salient "l" is Joe Namath's.  I think he does it with a wide rather than narrow tongue.
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>> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:22:45 -0400
>> From: paul.johnston at WMICH.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Uvular /l/ (Was: velarized /l/ again)
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>> It's due to the aspiration, I think. I don't have a fricative in
>> blue, glue.
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>> Paul Johnston
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>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Herb Stahlke wrote:
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>>> Is the sense of a lateral fricative a result of the aspiration of
>>> initial /p/? Or is there clear lateral constriction and resulting
>>> turbulence?
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>>> Herb
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>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Paul A Johnston, Jr.
>>> wrote:
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>>>> As a kid, I had this in onset position--it was one of the features
>>>> I went to speech therapy (in IL) for. I don't know how widespread
>>>> it is in NY/NJ/E PA, but I get the feeling I wasn't alone. In a
>>>> word like "play", it was some kind of lateral fricative, too. I
>>>> still sporadically come out with one.
>>>>
>>>> Paul Johnston
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>>>> From: Neal Whitman
>>>> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:46 pm
>>>> Subject: Uvular /l/ (Was: velarized /l/ again)
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>>>>> Some people use a different gesture involving the back of their
>>>>> tongue to
>>>>> make an /l/: a uvular nasal consonant. (It's represented as [N] in
>>>>> IPA,which unfortunately is ambiguous here, since [N] is also SAMPA
>>>>> for the velar
>>>>> nasal.) I wrote about in a couple of short posts:
>>>>> http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2006/05/21/totally-uvular/
>>>>> http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2007/01/10/lsa-2007-l-and-s-at-
>>>>> the/
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>>>>> Neal Whitman
>>>>> Email: nwhitman at ameritech.net
>>>>> Blog: http://literalminded.wordpress.com
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: "Herb Stahlke"
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>>>>>> Wilson mentioned in the previous thread that /l/ tends not to be
>>>>>> velarized in AAE, at least certainly not as much in other AmE
>>>>>> varieties. I've noticed this week the word "colleague"
>>>>> pronounced on
>>>>>> TV by two African Americans, one I think an Olympic track
>>>>> athlete in a
>>>>>> cell phone ad and the other Ice T on Law and Order SVU. Both
>>>>>> pronounced the /l/ without velarization and clearly the onset of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> second syllable. In my speech the /l/ is ambisyllabic, begins
>>>>>> velarized and ends unvelarized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb
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