Fwd: had did

[Arnold Zwicky]

the main feature in this is past-participle "did" (there's a fair
amount of literature on "had" + PSP conveying simple past or
perfect).  my first looks at stuff on the web seemed to unearth a
difference between PSP "did" in with "have"/"had" + PSP and PSP "did"
in passives: the former seems to be mostly associated with black
speakers, the second to be much more general.  but that's just an
impression.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Arnold Zwicky <zwicky at stanford.edu>
> Date: March 20, 2009 9:16:50 AM PDT
> To: Victor <aardvark66 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: had did
>
> On Mar 19, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Victor wrote:
>
>> The case of black Dem county leadership discriminating against
>> white voters. This comes from the circuit court opinion that just
>> came out.
>> http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/07/07-60588-CV0.wpd.pdf
>>
>> Second, Mable Jamison, an independent notary, testified that Brown
>> phoned her in an effort to dissuade her from collecting absentee
>> ballots from voters that “his people,” such as Windham, intended to
>> collect: “[h]e pretty much said that his people had did the initial
>> leg work and I shouldn’t be picking up his ballots.”
>
> two aspects to this example: "had" plus PSP, and "did" as PSP.  the
> issue on the first is that "had" plus PSP can be a past perfect
> (semantically), or (for AAVE speakers especially) it can serve as a
> simple past or perfect.  Jamison's sentence could be read either way.
>
> then there's "did" as the PSP of "do".  this is the PST form used
> for PSP, which is a widespread feature of non-standard american
> varieties ("I have went" etc.).  the usual non-standard leveling of
> PSP and PST for "do" is in favor of "done" for PST ("I done it"),
> but (as i'll show below) the leveling in the other direction is also
> attested.
>
> a few more "had did" examples:
>
>  (2) he was really upset that i had did this and sent his goons
> after me to bring me back to him.
> http://answers.psychcentral.com/story/title/i-had-this-very-strange-dream-and-it-is-still-bothering-me-can-someone-help-me-understand-it
>
>  (3) omg i would soooo love it if they did "Reden" or "Wo sind eure
> hande"!!!!! i wish they had did an english version of that song
> too.. the beat is just so fun and makes me want to dance.. i should
> go look up the translation for it...
> http://tokiohotel.pop24.de/forum/us/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8507&p=729014
>
>  (4) After a year we had did a song with a dude that was singin.
> [black speaker]
> http://www.murderdog.com/archives/dirty/dirty.html
>
>  (5) I didn't realize Cedeno had did that. That's funny. It takes
> Theriot 2 days to slug that much, wow. !
> http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=11&nav=messages&webtag=ml-cubs&tid=351973
>
> some discussion.  i find the interpretation of (2), like (1),
> uncertain.  (3) looks pretty clearly like a past perfect.  (4) seems
> equally clearly to have AAVE "had"+PSP used as a simple past.  (5)
> could go either way, but i'm leaning in favor of the simple past; i
> don't know what the race of the writer was.
>
> now, for some examples of PSP "did" outside "had did".  first, "have
> did" as present perfect:
>
>  Ok i hate this man but i shouldnt have did that?  [black writer]
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090307135111AAw6oBC
>
>  The only thing that I could have did that I can think of was
> clicked on a few sites to unsubscribe(HTML)porn sites ... [race of
> writer unknown]
> http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-3497.html
>
>  "She shouldn't have did that."  [black speaker]
> http://books.google.com/books?id=BrEpcxEbsQcC&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=%22have+did+that%22&source=bl&ots=qbeeuWRl31&sig=Rt7Igbi6WDuPBax3MZIPFsF6SNg&hl=en&ei=RLjDScruH5HItQODmbGCBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result
>
>  Sometimes you can try and then you say "I'm tired of trying." I
> have did that.  [black speaker]
> http://www.poverty.smartlibrary.org/newinterface/segment.cfm?segment=1626
>
> plenty more -- including one wonderful "might would have did that"
> -- most of them clearly from black speakers or writers.
>
> now some passive examples, e.g. with "was did":
>
>  Anyone knows how to fold paper with After effects like the video at
> 2:28? I know that maybe that was did by creating a stop-motion
> sequence but maybe there is a good way to do it in AE too
>
> http://motionographer.com/2008/07/09/psyop-converse/
>
>  The original version to "More Like You" was did by Michael
> Omartian, released in 1977 on his album "Seasons of the Soul" ...
> http://en.allexperts.com/q/Christian-Music-2785/2008/8/song-
> title-3.htm
>
>  I think what you did to PSC would be called vandalism if it was did
> by an anon user ...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Blitzkrieg/archive1
>
>  Peter further explained that this was did by the God who had raised
> Jesus ...
> http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/h/holy_spirit.html
>
> there are tons of these, and they don't seem to be particularly race-
> related.

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