IPA in spreadsheets (was: antedating "hobo" 1885)

[Tom Zurinskas]

Heck of a point, Nathan.  But looking at anything in wingdings doesn't look so good.  Does it?  And using only "letters of the alphabet" as truespel does shouldn't be much heartburn to other than the wingdingers.

You're right about the multi-letter phonemes.  You have to adjust for that in the search or filter process.  True it's a pain in the butt, but the notation is at least English friendly enough for kids to learn and that's the key.

Right now phonetics is not USA kid friendly, except for truespel.


Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
see truespel.com





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> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:48:11 -0400
> From: Nathan.Sanders at WILLIAMS.EDU
> Subject: Re: IPA in spreadsheets (was: antedating "hobo" 1885)
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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> Sender: American Dialect Society
> Poster: Nathan Sanders
> Subject: Re: IPA in spreadsheets (was: antedating "hobo" 1885)
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> On May 28, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>
>> Can these fonts be used in spreadsheets and can they be put in
>> emails like this forum and filenames?
>
> I think you are confused between "font" and "character" (and perhaps
> also "encoding" and "glyph"). The characters can of course be put
> into a spreadsheet and send via email (provided you have a way of
> inputting them, such as an appropriate keyboard). Whether someone
> else can see the characters as the glyphs you want them to see depends
> on whether they have a font installed that maps the characters to the
> glyphs you desire.
>
> Whether you can use a particular character or not in filenames (and
> have it show up as the glyph you want) depends entirely on your
> operating system (and the system font you use to view filenames). I
> have no trouble at all using IPA characters in filenames in Mac OS X.
>
>> Of course truespel can do all these things without the need for
>> special fonts.
>
> Nonsense. Truespel needs a font that uses glyphs that match the
> English alphabet (and has an ASCII encoding). Truespel as you know it
> would be unrecognizable if rendered with a font like Symbol or
> Windgings.
>
>> A plain typewriter can do truespel.
>
> I don't think I've seen a "plain typewriter" in use in over 15 years!
> I remember trying to find one when applying to grad school in 1995,
> and there were none to be found. I had to fill out the application
> form by hand.
>
> A separate issue on this broader topic of ease of use of different
> transcription systems in the computational world, the di- and
> trigraphs in Truespel make it very difficult to write simple search
> strings.
>
> If I want to search for all words containing the lax mid front vowel,
> my search string would be just a single character if my list is
> written with IPA characters: É› or E, depending on whether I've used
> real IPA or ASCII-IPA.
>
> But to search a list written in Truespel, I have to use a horrible
> search string like [^eouia]e[^er] (using regular expressions) to
> guarantee my match results don't contain words with "ee", "oe", "ue",
> "ie", "ae", or "er" instead of "e".
>
> Nathan
>
> --
> Nathan Sanders
> Linguistics Program
> Williams College
> http://wso.williams.edu/~nsanders/
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