Is the median the message?
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Sun Nov 29 23:13:06 UTC 2009
Why is the message here buried in the MIDDLE of all the previous message? Maybe it just careered there?
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From: Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:06:51
To: <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ADS-L] Soft-core pornography (antedating to May 1964) -
response the
Gareth Branwyn
At 5:45 PM -0500 11/29/09, Wilson Gray wrote:
>Has anyone come across a more objective, non-circular definition than
>
>"less obscene than hard-core pornography"
>
>from which it follows that hard-core pornography is
>
>"more obscene than soft-core pornography"?
>
>One definition that I came across somewhere about fifty years ago is
>that a pornographic representation, in order to be regarded as
>hard-core, must contain a photograph or other representation of at
>least one ithyphallic male figure.
So lesbian hard-core pornography is an oxymoron? Seems like a
dubious proposition to me. And with a little imagination I can
visualize (or even audiolize) other examples of HCP that wouldn't fit
the proposed mold.
LH
>
>I just threw that in FWIW. I'm not looking for an argument or even a
>discussion. If, for some reason, someone should ask me to distinguish
>between the two forms of pornography, that is the answer that I would
>give. So far, no one has asked me to make such a judgment. But, of
>course, you never know.
>
>-Wilson
>
>On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Garson O'Toole
><adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Gareth Branwyn
>> <garethbranwyn at comcast.net> wrote:
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>>> Poster: Gareth Branwyn <garethbranwyn at COMCAST.NET>
>>> Subject: Origins of "soft core," "Yippies," "Twinkie defense"
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>>> I am currently editing an article by Paul Krassner (of "The Realist"
>>> fame) in which he claims to have coined the terms "soft core
>>> porn" (1958), "Yippies" (1967) and "the Twinkie defense" (which he
>>> says he made up in 1979 during the trial of Dan White for the double
>>> execution of SF Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk).
>>>
>>> Does anyone here know more about the origins of these terms? I assume
>>> he made up Yippies, or was at least involved in the coinage, since he
>>> was a co-founder of the Youth International Party. His telling of it
>>> in this article makes it sound like he came up with both Youth
>>> International Party and Yippies (in that order), but I've read other
>>> accounts that say Anita Hoffman came up with Youth International Party
>>> after Yippies was coined, so that the group would have a more formal
>>> name for mainstream press purposes.
>>>
>>> Any other information folks here might have would be greatly
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Gareth
>>
>> Gareth Branwyn,
>> Hi. Thanks for your interesting questions. I claim no expertise but
>> I am willing to perform some searches for you if you wish.
>>
>> The Oxford English Dictionary does have some etymological information
>> about the term soft-core pornography. The earliest citation currently
>> is in the year 1966.
>>
>> (OED SECOND EDITION 1989) soft-core attrib. [after hard-core
>> (pornography): see hard core (b) s.v. HARD a. 23b], (of pornography)
>> less obscene than hard-core pornography;
>>
>> 1966 N.Y. Times 25 Sept. D 15/4 The *soft-core pornography of
>> advertisements like 'Have you had any lately?'
>>
>> The online archive of The Realist contains an earlier instance of the
>> term in an issue dated May 1964.
>>
>> "Soft-Core Pornography of the Month" (comic strip title), Page 13, The
>> Realist editor Paul Krassner, Num. 50, May 1964.
>>
>> http://www.ep.tc/realist/50/13.html
> >
>> There are also matches to the collection of issues of The Realist that
>> have been scanned for the Google Books Archive, but this collection is
>> incomplete and the issues appear to be dated 1968 and after.
>>
>> http://books.google.com/books?id=0pnWAAAAMAAJ&q=soft-core#search_anchor
>>
>> Can Paul Krassner supply you with a citation to a written document for
>> his claim of the 1958 origination of the term "soft-core porn" or
>> "soft-core pornography"? If the citation is to a 1958 issue of the
>> Realist then it should be checkable because the issues are available
>> at the archive.
>>
>> When did Krassner first claim to have originated each of these terms?
>> Is there a citation to an interview where he claimed that he created
>> these terms?
>>
>> Garson
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>-Wilson
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