another "moment" for WOTY consideration (UNCLASSIFIED)

Dave Wilton dave at WILTON.NET
Thu Oct 15 21:29:32 UTC 2009 

Also, "charlie foxtrot" for clusterfuck. That's from at least the late-80s,
probably much earlier.

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One example from my time was "Foxtrot Uniform", suggesting that the
addressee perform an unnatural act on himself.

"Tango Sierra" was in common usage for "tough shit"

A few others would prob'ly come to me with some thought.

Naval aviators would use "Delta Sierra" (dog shit) for a poorly executed
maneuver, or just unsatisfactory performance in general  It's opposite was
"Sierra Hotel" .."shit hot"

Bill P
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> Bill is correct about the military. Both the USAF and RAF retained the
> WWII
> alphabet till some time in 1956. However, the (remote) possibility exists
> that commercial pilots circulated the current phrase earlier:
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet
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> Would-be wits undoubtedly began uttering such "phonetic" equivalents from
> the moment of the earliest adoption (apparently in 1914) of such an
> alphabet, but such usages would have been nonce humor rather than current
> conversational usage.  It is only more recently that any "phonetic"
> phrases
> have become lexicalized as humorous euphemisms.
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> The earliest one I can think of is "How Able" ("haul ass") from WWII or
> Korea.
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> JL
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>> If it goes back to 1951/52, then it would have been "Fox Oboe",
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>> military "phonetic alphabet" of that era.
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>> Bill Palmer
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>> >> See also "Foxtrot Oscar" for fuck off.
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>> >> > I've seen "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot", though not AFAIR modifying
>> >> "moment",
>> >> > for
>> >> > several years at least.
>> >> >
>> >> > m a m
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Laurence Horn
>> >> > <laurence.horn at yale.edu>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >  From Arianna Huffington's argument that Joe Biden should resign
>> >> > > and
>> >> > > become the point person for opposition to the war in Afghanistan:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/why-joe-biden-
>> >> > should-resi_b_320929.html
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > In June, Gen. Jones, the president's National Security Advisor,
>> >> > > was
>> >> > > at Camp Leatherneck in Afghanistan, meeting with U.S. commanders
>> >> > > there. This was shortly after the arrival of the 21,000 additional
>> >> > > troops President Obama had sent over. Jones raised the question of
>> >> > > what the president's reaction would be if he were asked for even
>> >> more
>> >> > > troops. Well, Jones said, answering his own question, if that
>> >> > > happened, the president would probably have a "Whiskey Tango
>> >> > > Foxtrot
>> >> > > moment." In other words, wtf?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Well, Obama has gotten that request, but it wasn't a "Whiskey
>> >> > > Tango
>> >> > > Foxtrot moment" for him after all. Sadly, Newsweek reports that
>> >> Obama
>> >> > > is typically "looking for a middle way." But this isn't a
>> >> negotiation
>> >> > > for a used car, where you split the difference. It's either in our
>> >> > > national security interest to be there or it isn't. It's either a
>> >> > > necessary war or it isn't.
>> >> > > ==================
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I haven't encountered Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moments before, at
>> >> > > least
>> >> > > not by name.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > LH
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