Is the Hudson Valley Dialect still alive?

[Wilson Gray]

They'd write it -en and pronounce it -[@], you mean.

Wilson, hardly a native speaker but he has many pleasant memories of Amsterdam


On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Paul Johnston <paul.johnston at wmich.edu> wrote:
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> As someone who comes from the area and NOT from NYC, I'd say the
> pronunciation system is very much so, though there seems to be a
> difference between say, Albany and NYC outer suburbia.  As a
> vocabulary--well, traditional vocab. is highly recessive in most of
> the Northeast but I'm sure you could find a layer of words shared by
> NYC and the old Hudson Valley of more recent origin.
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> A story about Hudson Valley vocab: when I was in high school, I did a
> project on dialect vocabulary, and found the word "olicook" =
> "doughnut" listed as Hudson Valley.  I asked my mother (Monroe, NY
> from 1914 to 1956, when the place was rural and tiny) if she knew
> it.  She didn't, and said she'd never heard it, from her mother (b.
> 1879, Brooklyn), fellow Monrovians, or anyone.  Neither had I--until
> I came out here to West Michigan, and found students' grandparents,
> who not only knew what it was, but gave it a Dutch plural -
> [ouliku:k at n] (the -n shows the NE Dutch background of the Grand
> Rapids/Holland area; Standard Dutch would write -en, but pronounce -e).
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> I know there are other native speakers here--what do you think?
>
> Paul Johnston
> On Sep 25, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Dan Goodman wrote:
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>> As I understand it (note:  I'm very much an amateur), the Hudson
>> Valley
>> Dialect's status as a separate dialect was based on words not found
>> elsewhere.  Some of those words have spread; others have gone out
>> of use.
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