Off the ol' hookeroo

Thu Apr 29 15:33:24 UTC 2010

As Louis Nye used to say.

JL

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Heigh-ho, Jonerino!
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> -Wilson
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> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Lighter
> <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > The evidence in HDAS suggests that gossip columnist Walter Winchell
> > popularized the "-eroo" suffix around 1930-31.
> >
> > "-Erino" was similarly used from the 1890s on. So "-eroo" presumably
> > originated as a variation, suggested (again presumably) by the fanciful
> > sound of "kangaroo" and "buckaroo."
> >
> > My own usage sense is that the quality added by "-eroo" is  intended to
> be
> > one of cynical jocularity. The addition of "the old..." increases it.
> >
> > I think the practice of generating items like "hookeroo" in this way is
> > pretty old-fashioned.
> >
> > JL
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> >
> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Lisa Galvin <lisagal23 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >> Yes=2C I understand the overall meaning of the specific example I
> gave=3B
> >>  =
> >> what I was trying to figure out was the whole "ol' --eroo" thing=2C like
> >> wh=
> >> ere that came from=2C or if anyone knows when/how it started.=20
> >>
> >> =20
> >>
> >> If someone asks you what is the difference between "off the hook" and
> "off
> >> =
> >> the ol' hookeroo"=2C what would you say?=20
> >>
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> >> > Date: Wed=2C 28 Apr 2010 13:09:17 -0400
> >> > From: Berson at ATT.NET
> >> > Subject: Re: Off the ol' hookeroo
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> >> > Subject: Re: Off the ol' hookeroo
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> >> > I suppose the meaning is clear: Out of a difficult situation=3B off
> the
> >> s=
> >> pot.
> >> >=20
> >> > Presumably from "off the hook" -- OED hook n.=2C sense 15.f. "off the
> >> > hook: out of a difficult situation." The opposite of "on the hook"
> >> > -- sense 2.b. "on the hook: in various fig. uses=2C e.g. ensnared=2C
> in
> >> > the power (of someone)=3B in one's grasp."
> >> >=20
> >> > If the question is "where does *hookeroo* come from?"=2C perhaps
> "hook"
> >> > plus the "factitious slang suffix" (OED) -eroo.
> >> >=20
> >> > Joel
> >> >=20
> >> > At 4/28/2010 12:29 PM=2C Lisa Galvin wrote:
> >> > >A friend of mine is a translator=2C and now and then she asks me
> >> > >questions about particularly troublesome (meaning difficult to look
> >> > >up=2C find online=2C etc.) English expressions she is faced with
> >> > >translating into Japanese. Usually I can come up with answers for
> >> > >her=2C along with some history and other examples=2C using my own
> >> > >knowledge and a little research=2C but trying to nail this one down
> >> > >got me stuck.
> >> > >
> >> > >This is a Peanuts comic where Lucy and Linus are having the
> >> > >following exchange:
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
> >>
> >>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
> >> =3D
> >> > >
> >> > >LUCY: How sould you like to see a list of things I want for
> Christmas?
> >> > >
> >> > >LINUS: Absolutely not!! I want my gift to you this year to be a
> >> complete=
> >>  and
> >> > >delightful surprise.
> >> > >
> >> > >LUCY: What a lovely generous thought...
> >> > >
> >> > >(and off she goes...)
> >> > >
> >> > >LINUS: Off the Ol' Hookeroo!!
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
> >>
> >>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
> >> =3D=3D
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Of course the <ol'> + <*eroo> construction is a way of
> >> > >colloqializing the expression "off the hook"=2C but does anyone know
> >> > >when that started or how to better define the construction and its
> >> > >nuance of meaning?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >It's a tough one to Google (this one kept getting me "did you mean=2C
> >> > >'old hooker'?" Uh=2C no=2C no I did not).
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >I know we have "The ol' switcheroo"=2C any other examples you can
> think
> >> =
> >> of?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Oh=2C and just for the record=2C she ended up translating this line
> as
> >> > >something like "Good=2C I'm safe for now".
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Lisa Galvin
> >> > >
> >> > >Seattle WA
> >> > >
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