Heard on Springer: old-school BE; BE "BIN" (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Wilson Gray]

Absolutely! Use it myself all the time, when I'm amongst the bruz and cuz.

Speaking of BE, readers probably recall my oft-told tale of tripping
out a whole barracks-full of white GI'S by asking, rhetorically:

"Did you guys hear about the way that the First Shirt (first sergeant)
_fxcked over_ Lupow?"

IAC, I'm almost certain that Jon Stewart used "fxck over NP" on a
recent - last month? - episode of The Daily Show, instead of the
usual, very-recently-developed, IME ('70's?), white version, "fxck NP
over." Of course, he was bleeped, so I can't say for certain. But I'd
*almost* be willing to bet on it.

--
-Wilson
–––
All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"––a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
–Mark Twain

On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Margaret Lee <mlee303 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> You probably heard "I BIN done told you," which is syntactically 'correct' =
> AAE, and certainly not "old-school."=A0 Many AAE speakers still use it.
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> I believe I have heard "I done bin told you", but I don't recall if it
> was from a black speaker, or a white guy parodying AAVE.
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>> Twenty-ish black male speaker:
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>> "Whils' dey was fightin' ova me, I _sot_ an' watch'.
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>> The first time that I've ever heard the, IMO till now,
>> semi-mythological verb-form.
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>> Unfortunately, there was no clue, beyond "the country" (rural South)
>> as to where this speaker was from.
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>> Late-thirty-ish black male speaker:
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>> "I BIN _told_ you! I been _told_ you since Christmas!"
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>> I didn't know that this syntactic structure, WRT to tense, existed,
>> till I heard John's paper on it at the first NWAV. Had I only read his
>> paper somewhere, so that I couldn't see that its author was black, I
>> would have dismissed it as nothing other than more "White Mischief,"
>> to quote the title of an old movie. Ain't *nobody* be saying nothing
>> like that!
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>> "In *my* grammar," to coin a phrase, it ain't nothing possible b'sep':
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>> "I BIN _telling_ you! I been _telling_ since Christmas!"
>> --
>> -Wilson
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>> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"--a strange complaint to
>> come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
>> -Mark Twain
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