(Another bogus in?) Google's metadata mish-mash

Mark Mandel thnidu at GMAIL.COM
Wed Dec 22 20:43:37 UTC 2010


Google's view of the title page (go to the cite
link<http://books.google.com/books?id=6M8TAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA61&dq=%22crisis%22&hl=en&ei=pF8STYGDHcL58Ab20OXuDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22crisis%22&f=false>
and
click on the thumbnail at the upper left) clearly shows the date as
>
> M.DC.XXXII.

= 1 6  3  2

I wasn't sure what you were basing your objection on, other than the "fl.
1739" for the author, or a knowledge of history greater than mine (which is
no challenge at all.) But I see at the bottom of p. 124, "(CONCLUSION)":



On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:

> At 12/22/2010 01:40 PM, Mark Mandel wrote:
>
> >...
> >The list seems to have trouble with UTF-8; my long-s (=U+017f) + i, which
> I
> >entered as separate characters, show up in your quote as
> > >
> > > �ƒ
> >
> >U+30ca, katakana /na/
>
> I received Mark's message with i -- long-s -- i
> clearly.  I have no idea why quoting and
> returning it through the list server changes it.
>
> >...
>
> But do you agree the title page is a
> misprint?  (Perhaps beyond Google's arena of
> responsibility, but perhaps something to add to
> your correspondent's blog, particularly since it
> eliminates this as an antedating.)
>
> Joel
>
> >On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
> >
> > > At 12/21/2010 08:20 PM, Mark Mandel wrote:
> > > >...
> > > >  4. The real thing!
> > > >     *A compleat history of the present state of war in Africa,
> between
> > > the
> > > >Spaniards and Algerines: ...*
> > > >     J Morgan.
> > > >     1632
> > > >
> > > >"States arrived at that Cri�ƒ s cannot long
> > subsist". A hit, a palpable hit,
> > > >even with an s-longa + i ligature.
> > > >...
> > > >I give Google Ngrams a D-- here, saved from an F only by that single
> > > genuine
> > > >hit.
> > >
> > > That is a double minus, is it not? Perhaps it
> > > should be changed to an F+.  I suspect there is a
> > > misprint of the date on the title page, and it
> > > should be 1732.  (1632 would be an antedating of
> > > OED sense 3, although only of 1659.)
> > >
> > > Harvard's catalog says:
> > > Author :  Morgan, J., fl. 1739
> > > Title :         A compleat history of the present
> > > state of war in Africa, between the Spaniards and Algerines [etc. etc.]
> > > Published :  London : printed for W. Mears, at
> > > the Lamb in the Old Bailey; and J. Stone,
> > > Bedford-Row, near Gray痴-Inn, M.DC.XXXII. M.DC.XXXII [i.e. 1732]
> > >
> > > (The repeated Roman year appears also in ESTC,
> > > which similarly says {i.e. 1732].)  Harvard lists
> > > several other titles it attributes to this
> > > "Morgan, J., fl. 1739" from 1728 through (as a translator) 1744.
> > >
> > > Joel
>
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