more on "allegory"

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Fri Feb 5 06:10:19 UTC 2010

Geez, Jon! I think that *my* analysis is rather complex! :-( Come on,
man. Give a brother a break.


On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Jonathan Lighter
<wuxxmupp2000 at> wrote:
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> Wilson, you're missing the allegory!  The torturer isn't black, he's Iraqi.
> He just likes Michael Jackson *and* Saddam Hussein!
> He's complex!
> For an unusually interesting review of the same earnest mess of a movie,
> see:
> You may not
> be sorry!
> JL
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at>wrote:
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>> At 11:38 PM -0500 2/3/10, Wilson Gray wrote:
>> >You got that right! I'm still trying figure out what we're supposed
>> >get out of the fact the torturer is a black American: to borrow from
>> >an old R&B song, "The tables turned and now it's your turn to cry," so
>> >to speak? Meant as an on-the-qui-vive directed to the Aryan
>> >Brotherhood?
>> >
>> And here I always thought it was the Stones.  Go know. I am indebted
>> Wilson, with a chorus from Wikipedia, for setting me straight.  It
>> was the Valentinos (or more accurately, the Womacks, written by Bobby
>> and Shirley W.) who wrote and first cut the song.  Nice anecdote
>> about it, though, featuring the intercession of none other than
>> Murray the K:
>> The Valentinos' original version of the song was played to the
>> Rolling Stones during their first North American tour in June 1964 by
>> a New York radio DJ named Murray the K. After the band heard the song
>> they recorded it nine days later at Chess Studios in Chicago. Years
>> later Bobby Womack said in an interview that he told his manager that
>> he did not want the Rolling Stones to record their version of the
>> song, that he told Mick Jagger to get his own song. His manager
>> convinced him to let the Rolling Stones record a version of the song.
>> Six months later when he received the royalty check for the song he
>> told his manager that Mick Jagger can have any song he wants. The
>> Rolling Stones' version of "It's All Over Now" is the most famous
>> version ever cut of the song. It was the band's third single released
>> in America, and stayed in the Billboard Hot 100 for ten weeks,
>> peaking at #26. Months later it appeared on their second American
>> album 12 X 5. It was first released as a single in Great Britain,
>> where it peaked at # 1 on the Disc Weekly charts, giving the Rolling
>> Stones their first number one hit ever.
>> ObADS:  There's a line in the song I had always heard as
>> "[Well, she used to run around
>> With every man in town]
>> -->She spent all my money, playing her half-assed game(s)"
>> and it always struck me as surprising that they were able to get away
>> with it in the mid-60s, but according to the posted lyrics, that's
>> just a "kiss-this-guy"/"bathroom-on-the-right" type reanalysis on my
>> part for the actual line:
>> Well, she used to run around with every man in town
>> She spent all my money, playing her high class game
>> LH
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