"Missing T" revisited: Super Bowl edition

[Herb Stahlke]

I've heard the [skr&~a?@n] pronunciation often enough from students at
Ball State, but only from people in their 20s or younger.  I've heard
it from Midlands and Northern speakers in this area, but not from
Southern speakers.  Is a developing sound change found mostly widely
in younger generations?

Herb

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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>>It's still alive and kicking, more's the pity. Well, around theses
>>parts, at least, people still say [skr&n.t at n] and not [skr&~a?@n], a
>>la Philadelphia.
>>
>>-Wilson
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> Ah, I have heard both, but the latter version does involve
> glottalizing of the voiceless stop in Scranton; any other /d/s
> glottalizing beyond the one in the "No, [pro] didn't" expression of
> incredulity?
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> LH
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>>On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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>>>  At 11:08 PM -0500 2/6/10, Neal Whitman wrote:
>>>>Recalling the thread that began here
>>>>(http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0911A&L=ADS-L&P=R4055),
>>>>I've written a blog post about pre-nasal glottalization, syllabic [n] (or
>>>>lack thereof), with the timely and convenient name "Peyton" as an example.
>>>>
>>>>http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2010/02/06/peyton-manning-and-the-missing-t-formation/
>>>>
>>>>Neal Whitman
>>>>Email: nwhitman at ameritech.net
>>>>Blog: http://literalminded.wordpress.com
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>>>  Very nice, and for Saints fans, I presume the same phenomenon will
>>>  occur with the name of New Orleans coach Payton.
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>>>  In some of our earlier threads, dating back to 2001 and 2004*, we
>>>  extended the discussion to glottalization in the voiced case of
>>>  "didn't" as in "No you dI?In".  Don't know if it's spread since
>>>  then...
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>>>  * http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0409B&L=ADS-L&P=R2747
>>>     http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0411C&L=ADS-L&P=R638
>>>     et al.
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>>--
>>-Wilson
>>---
>>All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"--a strange complaint to
>>come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
>>-Mark Twain
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