Back to you and I

[Jonathan Lighter]

Does anybody say, "Between you and *I* and the lamppost?"

FWIW, my grandparents, with high-school diplomas from ca1905, said "between
you and me."

JL

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Arnold Zwicky <zwicky at stanford.edu> wrote:

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> bibliography on nomconjobj (nominative conjoined objects) -- from
> Thomas Grano in 2005 [please excuse the variation in the form of the
> references]:
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> Angermeyer, P. S. and Singler, J. V. 2003. The case for politeness:
> Pronoun variation in co-ordinate NPs in object position in English.
> Language Variation and Change, 15: 171-209.
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> Boyland, Joyce Tang.  2001. 2001. Hypercorrect case in English?
> Cognitive processes that account for pronoun usage. In Frequency and
> the emergence of linguistic structure, Joan L. Bybee & Paul Hopper,
> Eds.  Amsterdam: John Benjamins. 383-404.
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> Emonds, J. 1986. Grammatically Deviant Prestige Constructions. In A
> festschrift for Sol Saporta, M. Brame, H. Contreras and F. J.
> Newmeyer, Eds. Seattle: Noit Amrofer Publishing Co. 93-129.
>
> Honey, J. 1995. A new rule for the Queen and I? English Today, 11(4):
> 3-8.
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> Householder, F. W. 1987. Some Facts about Me and I. Language Research,
> 23(2): 163-184.
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> Hudson, R. 1995. Does English really have case? Journal of
> Linguistics, 31: 375-392.
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> Jacobsson, Bengt. 2003.  Notes on pronominal case in English.  Studia
> Neophilologica 75.21-31.
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> Parker, F., Riley, K., and Meyer, C. 1988. Case Assignment and the
> Ordering of Constituents on Coordinate Constructions. American Speech,
> 63(3): 214-233.
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> Quattlebaum, Judith A. 1994. A Study of Case Assignment in Coordinate
> Noun Phrases. The Language Quarterly 32 (3-4): 131-47.
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> Quinn, Heidi.  2002.  The distribution of pronoun case forms in
> English.  PhD diss, Univ of Canterbury, NZ.
>
> - 2005.  The Distribution of Pronoun Case Forms in English.
> Amsterdam: Benjamins.  (rev of Quinn 2002)
>
> Redfern, R. K. 1994. Is between you and I Good English? PADS, 78:
> 187-193.
>
> Rini, Joel.  2003.  The origin of Spanish entre tú y yo “between you
> and me”: A typological parallel to English between you and I?
> Diachronica 20.1.139-65.
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> Sadock, Jerrold M.  2005. Optimal morphology. In Morphology and the
> Web of Grammar: Essays in Memory of Steven G. Lapointe, Cemil Orhan
> Orgun & Peter Sells, Eds. Stanford CA: CSLI. 83-94.
>
> Schwartz, Bonnie D. 1985. Case and conjunction. Southern California
> Occasional Papers in Linguistics 10.161-186.
>
> Sobin, Nicholas. 1997. Agreement, default rules, and grammatical
> viruses. Linguistic Inquiry 28(2): 318-43.
>
> Tieken-Boon van Ostade, I. 1994. Standard and non-standard pronominal
> usage in English, with special reference to the eighteenth century.
> InTowards a Standard English: 1600-1800, Stein, D. and Tieken-Boon
> Ostade, I., Eds. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter. 217-242.
>
> Wales, K. 1996. Between you and I: problems of case. In Personal
> pronouns in present-day English. Cambridge University Press. 85-109.
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