What is winter? (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Robin Hamilton]

So would it be fair to say that Bairead and Mairead are only coincidentally
related, unless there's some common proto-IndoEuropean root behind Barrett
and Margaret?

The Eoin (Old Irish) / Iain (Scots Gaelic) / Sean (Later Irish) / Owen
(Welsh) / John (English) <= Joannes complex is interesting -- would it
reflect the closer relation between Scottish and Irish Celtic to each other
as against Welsh Celtic?  (I can never remember my p's and my q's in this
context.)

[Actually, looking again at what you say, I've not got that quite right --
it's more that Eoin and Sean are borrowings into Irish at different times,
rather than one developed from the other.  One borrowed from the original
Latin Ioannes and the other from the AF form Jean which developed from this.
Hm.]

Robin

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> Bair=C3=A9ad is normally anglicised Barrett, being originally an Irish
> comp=
> osite
> noun that was both phonologically close to that surname and coincidentally
> semantically close to a possible origin of it - Barrette (Old French)
> meaning cap.
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> Eoin came from the Latin Ioannes, Se=C3=A1n from the Anglo-Norman Jean.
> Bot=
> h now
> John in English.
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> Mair=C3=A9ad is a Irish spelling of the
> Persian/Greek/Latin/Anglo-Norman/En=
> glish
> name Margaret.
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> 2010/2/25 Robin Hamilton <robin.hamilton2 at btinternet.com>
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>> > Secondly, Eoin is the earlier Irish form of John, predating the more
>> > common
>> > Se=3DC3=3DA1n by several centuries. It's sort of pronounced like Owen.
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>> Does the surname Bair=C3=A9ad relate to the given name
>> M=C3=A1ir=C3=A9ad?=
>   [Eoin would
>> seem to be closer than Sean to the (originally) Scots (gaelic) Iain,
>> corresponding to SE "John".]
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