a wee predating of hotdog - if true - to circa 1870 (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Tom Zurinskas]

I'd say though most don't realize it "Toyota" is actually pronounced "Toyoda" ~toiyyoedu in USA, with that last "t" swapped for a "d" sound.  It happens a lot without the speaker realizing it.  They would say they are saying a "t".


Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL7+
see truespel.com phonetic spelling












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> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:47:17 -0500
> From: laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
> Subject: Re: a wee predating of hotdog - if true - to circa 1870 (UNCLASSIFIED)
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> Poster: Laurence Horn
> Subject: Re: a wee predating of hotdog - if true - to circa 1870
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> At 11:20 AM -0500 2/25/10, Benjamin Zimmer wrote:
>>On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Laurence Horn
>> wrote:
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>>> At 9:51 AM -0600 2/25/10, Mullins, Bill AMRDEC wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The linked video is immediately followed by one entitled "Japan reacts
>>>>to Toyoda hearings" -- never seen it spelled that way before.
>>>
>>> He's the president of the company. I don't know why the company name
>>> went voiceless when the family name was voiced. Anyone?
>>
>>BBC explains:
>>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8534294.stm
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>>--Ben Zimmer
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> Interesting--after the elaborate explanation involving the lucky
> (well, maybe no longer quite so lucky) 8 strokes, the real story may
> be that "voiced sounds...in Japanese are less preferable to voiceless
> sounds". One additional remark caught my eye:
>
> "It was originally called Toyoda, it seems, but later changed to
> Toyota (although it was felt that some in America continued to call
> it Toyoda for some time)."
>
> Of course most in American still continue to call it Toyoda, or more
> accurately to refer to it in a way that fails to distinguish the two
> pronunciations, since they'd merge as a voiced flap in that position
> (intervocalically after a stressed vowel). So were we calling it
> "Toyota" or "Toyoda"? Hard to know!
>
> LH
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