Guido x 2

Sat Jan 23 20:48:25 UTC 2010

HDAS has _benny_ as a mildly disparaging term (about equal to _character_)
back to 1926. The nuance "vacationer" seems to survive locally, but
otherwise the term is pretty archaic.

JL

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Dave Wilton <dave at wilton.net> wrote:

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> As someone who grew up on the Jersey Shore and who worked summers on the
> Seaside Heights boardwalk, I've been familiar with the term for decades. (I
> haven't seen the MTV series yet, since I don't have cable--but the DVDs are
> in my Netflix queue for when they're released.)
>
> Tony Manero is certainly the ur-Guido, but "Saturday Night Fever" predates
> the term "Guido" by at least a decade. Jon Lighter's dating of the term to
> c. 1988 is dead on. When I left Jersey for the Army in 1985, the term (but
> not the type) was unknown. When I returned in 1989, it was common. And
> contrary to what Ms. Savino says, the term has most definitely been used
> pejoratively--there may be reclamation going on, but in the beginning it
> was
> definitely not a nice thing to call someone.
>
> Before the "Guido" there was the "bennie" (a term which is listed in DARE).
> I had a conversation with family members about the terms when back visiting
> the Shore over the holidays and there is definitely a generational split
> between "bennie" and "Guido." While they're familiar with the term, the
> under-30 crowd doesn't use "bennie." While older folks prefer that term to
> "Guido." Note that these aren't true synonyms. A Guido is a young man with
> a
> particular style of grooming, and most likely but not necessarily
> Italian-American. A bennie, on the other hand, is simply a vacationer, any
> sex, any ethnicity, any style of dress or grooming. To the residents of the
> Shore, both terms are pejorative.
>
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>  The _New Yorker_ discussed precisely the same phenomenon WRT _Jersey
> Shore_
> last week.
>
> Whatever the origin of the species, HDAS 1 traces the designation _Guido_
> back to 1988-89. My SWAG is that it was inspired by Joe Pantoliano's
> character "Guido" in the teen megahit _Risky Business_  (1983).
>
> JL
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> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Laurence Horn
> <laurence.horn at yale.edu>wrote:
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> > In today's Times, there is a piece by Patricia Cohen in the Arts
> > section about "Guido" (the ethnic/social label) and "Jersey Shore"
> > (the MTV reality television show that, as Virginia Heffernan (see
> > below) puts it, chronicles the exploits of "the hottest, tannest,
> > craziest Guidos" in Seaside Heights, N.J.  Reclamation may or may not
> > be involved, depending on your source...
> >
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> > As New York State Senator Diane J. Savino, a Democrat who represents
> > Staten Island and parts of Brooklyn, explained, "Guido was never a
> > pejorative." It grew out of the 1950s greaser look, she said, and
> > became a way for Italian-Americans who did not fit the larger
> > culture's definition of beauty to take pride in their own heritage
> > and define "cool" for themselves.
> >
> > When she was growing up, everybody listened to rock; girls were
> > supposed to be skinny, with straight blond hair (like Marcia Brady on
> > "The Brady Bunch"); guys had ripped jeans, sneakers and straggly hair.
> >
> > Then in 1977 "Saturday Night Fever" was released. "It changed the
> > image for all of us," Ms. Savino said. As Tony Manero, John Travolta
> > wore a white suit, had slicked-back short hair, liked disco music and
> > was hot. "It was a way we could develop our own standard of beauty,"
> > she added.
> >
> > Indeed, Professor Tricarico calls "Saturday Night Fever" the "origin
> > myth" for "Guidos." Think of Tony Manero as their Adam.
> >
> > Young Italian-Americans, he said, did what other immigrant groups
> > before have done: take a symbol of derision, own it and redefine it
> > their own way. Young African-Americans did that with the "n word," he
> > added, much to the consternation of their elders, and gay people did
> > the same by proudly using the word "queer."
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/arts/television/23shore.html
> > ===============
> >
> > Then in the Magazine section coming out tomorrow, Virginia Heffernan
> > has this more dialectologically oriented mini-essay--it's not every
> > day the Times begins an article by citing Bill Labov:
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/magazine/24FOB-medium-t.html
> >
> >
> > LH
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