hot dog days

[Joel S. Berson]

At 7/13/2010 03:31 PM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
>At 7/13/2010 02:46 PM, Gerald Cohen wrote:
>>Thanks, Larry. As you know, credit for the discovery of the 1895 "hot dog"
>>quote goes to Barry Popik, who did extensive and very valuable research on
>>the term, and the researcher who found the 1893 quote was Fred Shapiro.
>
>I suppose "hot dog days" doesn't mean a double-header at Yankee Stadium?  :-)

Which has just reminded me -- a minimal pair?  As in "light house
keeper" (omitting the clarifying hyphens).

JOel


>Joel
>
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>>Cartoonist Dorgan (TAD) came to NYC from San Francisco in 1903, and "hot
>>dog" was well attested already in the 1890s. Btw, Dorgan was also a sports
>>writer, and a very good one too, so the idea that he couldn't spell
>>"dachshund" (and couldn't look it up in the dictionary) is in itself
>>farfetched.
>>
>>In case any journalists see this message and would like information on the
>>origin of "hot dog," they need only ask.  Meanwhile, for anyone interested,
>>here is the relevant literature:
>>
>>1) Gerald Leonard Cohen, Barry A. Popik, and David Shulman:  _Origin of the
>>Term "Hot Dog"_. 293 pages. Published by Gerald Cohen, University of
>>Missouri-Rolla (now named Missouri University of Science and Technology).
>>2004.
>>2) Bill Mullins: "First non-college attestation of _hot dog_ comes in an
>>1896 Utah newspaper." Comments on Etymology, vol. 34, no. 6 (March 2005),
>>pp. 2-3).
>>3) Bill Mullins: "A few early attestations of _hot dog_." Comments on
>>Etymology, vol. 35, no. 3 (Dec. 2005), pp. 12-13.
>>4) Barry Popik: "_Hot dog_ information: 1893 (Knoxville, TN), 1897 (Kansas
>>City, MO), 1899 (Yale).  Comments on Etymology, vol. 37, no. 1-2 (Oct./Nov.
>>2007), pp. 31-35. ---- (includes Fred Shapiro's discovery of the 1893
>>attestation)
>>
>>Gerald Cohen
>>gcohen at mst.edu
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>>
>>Original message from Laurence Horn, July 13, 2010:
>>
>>  From today's Times:
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/sports/baseball/13hotdogs.html
>>
>>Hot dogs and baseball have a long history, though the details of
>>their relationship are as murky as the hot water that dirty dogs are
>>cooked in. Harry M. Stevens, a vendor at the old Polo Grounds in New
>>York, is widely credited with marrying the dog, the bun and baseball
>>when, in 1901, he started serving "dachshund sausages" on rolls.
>>
>>Thomas Aloysius Dorgan, a cartoonist, was supposedly at the game and
>>could not spell dachshund, so instead wrote "hot dog." Researchers
>>later found that Dorgan was not at the Polo Grounds in 1901, and
>>discovered references in The Yale Record from 1895 to students who
>>"contentedly munched on hot dogs."
>>
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>>I seem to recall "researchers" have pushed the date back farther.
>>
>>LH
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