Dan Burley

[Jonathan Lighter]

GB has a full-page legit scan of _Billboard_ in 1955 that mentions "uncool
music."  That's the earliest one I've seen.

As for hep/hip in my limited experience:

AAVE:  no diff.

AALE: you lame or something?  (if "L" stands for "literary and media")

JL

On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Is there any distinction between _hep hip_ and _cool_ in AAVE or in
> AALE? How old is _uncool_?
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> -Wilson
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> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Benjamin Zimmer
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> > Subject:      Re: Dan Burley
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> > On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Jonathan Lighter
> > <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The intro to HDAS draws attention to the writing of Dan Burley (1909 -
> 1962,
> >> acc. to Wackipedia), the African-American journalist and musician who
> >> probably did more than any other individual human being to expand and
> >> popularize "jive" (urban BE slang), through his columns in the
> _Pittsburgh
> >> Courier_ and later in NYC's _Amsterdam News_, which he also edited.
> >> Burley wrote _Dan Burley's Original Handbook of Harlem Jive_ in 1944
>  (ISTR
> >> an earlier edition in 1941 that I was unable to obtain) and _Diggeth
> Thou?_
> >> in 1959.  I see that Thomas Aiello has recently edited both under the
> title
> >> _Dan Burley's Jive_ (2009). About time!
> >>
> >> My point?  ProQuest now carries the _Amsterdam News_, and a search for
> "Dan
> >> Burley" reveals hundreds of his weekly columns back to the late '30s.
>  They
> >> get jivier as time passes.  OED and others should find many antedatings
> >> there.  And some whippersnapper might find diss. inspiration.
> >
> > A search on the ADS-L archives will turn up several posts of mine
> > citing Burley's "Back Door Stuff," as it appeared in the Amsterdam
> > News and the Chicago Defender.
> >
> > http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0512C&L=ADS-L&P=R1615
> > http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0512D&L=ADS-L&P=R4384
> > http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0802A&L=ADS-L&P=R4306
> > http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0802B&L=ADS-L&P=R2259
> > http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0809A&L=ADS-L&P=R2413
> > http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0809A&L=ADS-L&P=R4552
> >
> > I also made mention of Burley's column in my On Language column on
> > "cool," as evidence that the term was *not* in common "jive" use in
> > the '30s.
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/magazine/30FOB-onlanguage-t.html
> >
> > --Ben Zimmer
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