Babbity Bowster

Mon Mar 15 04:31:24 UTC 2010

Wilson,
It's actually not far from Dutch ui.  Usually, the Dutch vowel has
both the first and second vowels both rounded and front  [oeY] (the o
& e are supposed to be joined).  The Scots sound is a little farther
back (central-to-centralized front), and the 1st sound of the
diphthong is more like a schwa.  The barred u is a high central
rounded vowel, and that's the 2nd sound.  The closest thing I've
heard to it here in America is something like how a Carolinian
pronounces the vowel in words like hope--if you remember how John
Edwards used to say "Hope is on the way", you're close.

Paul
On Mar 12, 2010, at 7:19 PM, Wilson Gray wrote:

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> Paul Johnston writes:
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> "... the names McKeown and Bowie also have _this vowel_ in
> Scotland ..."
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> What vowel is that? I know Americans named _McKeown_ and _Bowie_ and
> they have the same vowel, in a manner of speaking, one being
> [m@'kj_u_n] and the other being [b_u_i]. The problem here, to make
> answering easier for you, is that I'm not familiar with the sound
> represented by barred u.
>
> It may be the case that answering is impossible. Several native
> speakers of Dutch have, from time to time tried to teach me to
> pronounce, e.g. the sound spelled _ui_ or _uj_ with no success.
>
> -Wilson
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Paul Johnston
> <paul.johnston at wmich.edu> wrote:
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>> In Scots, it'd be pronounced like [^] + barred-u, the vowel that
>> occurs in words like yowe=ewe, knowe=knoll, and in words like roll,
>> gold (Sc. gowd), and a lot of dialect words like coup and loup.  You
>> can substitute the vowel in OUT we have, because in Standard Scottish
>> English (as opposed to Scots), they do have the same vowel. Bowster,
>> in fact, equals bolster.  Incidentally, the names McKeown and Bowie
>> also have this vowel in Scotland, though they don't here.  I had to
>> learn that one, especially because David Bowie was especially popular
>> when I started to live there,
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>>> Subject:      Babbity Bowster
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>>> Apparently the term "Babbity Bowster" hadn't/hasn't emigrated to
>>> the States
>>> as I had thought when querying this list a few days ago.  Robin
>>> Hamilton
>>> kindly sent its etymology, but we still don't know how "Bow-" is
>>> pronounced=
>>> .
>>>  If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it.  Following is the
>>> information Robin
>>> sent:
>>>
>>> DSL - SND1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BAB AT THE BOWSTER, BAB IN THE BOWSTER, BABBITY BOWSTER, phr.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. An old country dance, finishing off a ball, a wedding, or any
>>> kind of
>>> merrymaking.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     *Sc. 1851 Eng. Notes and Q. (18 Jan.) 45:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     The manner of dancing it is, the company having formed itself
>>> into a
>>> circle, one, either male or female, goes into the centre, carrying
>>> a pillow
>>> [or handkerchief], and dances round the circle with a sort of
>>> shuffling
>>> quick step, while the others sing, =E2=80=94 =E2=80=9CWha
>>> learn=E2=80=99d y=
>>> ou to dance, you to
>>> dance, you to dance, Wha learn=E2=80=99d you to dance, Bab in the
>>> Bowster b=
>>> rawly?=E2=80=9D
>>> To which the dancer replies: =E2=80=9CMother learn=E2=80=99d me to
>>> dance, m=
>>> e to dance, me to
>>> dance, Mother learn=E2=80=99d me to dance, Bab in theBowster
>>> brawly.=E2=80=
>>> =9D He or she then
>>> lays down the pillow before one of the opposite sex, when they both
>>> kneel o=
>>> n
>>> it and kiss; the person to whom the pillow has been presented going
>>> over th=
>>> e
>>> above again, etc., till the company tires.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     *Fif. 1864 W. D. Latto Tammas Bodkin (1868) xxxv.:
>>>
>>>     Lang ere Sandy=E2=80=99s fiddle struck up the grand finale
>>> o=E2=80=99 =
>>> =E2=80=9CBab at the
>>> Bowster.=E2=80=9D
>>>
>>>     *Lnk. 1894 W. H. Ballantyne in A. B. Gomme Dict. Brit. Folk-
>>> Lore I. 9:
>>>
>>>     Wha learned you to dance, Babbity Bowster brawly?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     2. A children=E2=80=99s game. (1) A ring game. (2) A hopping
>>> game.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     (1) *Rxb. 1923 Watson W.-B. 45:
>>>
>>>     Bab-at-the-bowster. . . . A children=E2=80=99s ring-game.
>>>
>>>     (2) *Arg. 1901 R. C. Maclagan Games of Argyleshire 58:
>>>
>>>     Crouching down on their . . . hunkers, . . . and clasping their
>>> hands
>>> under their legs behind their knees, they hop on their toes
>>> opposite each
>>> other, singing: =E2=80=94 Wha learnt you to dance, Babbity Bowster,
>>> Babbity=
>>>  Bowster,
>>> Wha learnt you to dance,Babbity Bowster? [etc.]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     3. =E2=80=A1A boys=E2=80=99 game. Known in Dundee as Hockey-
>>> duck.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     *ne.Rxb. 1923 Watson W.-B. 45:
>>>
>>>     Bab-at-the-bowster. . . . A game of the leap-frog kind, in
>>> which one bo=
>>> y
>>> climbs along the bowed backs of several others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     [From Bab, v., 2 (1), and Bowster, a pillow.]
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>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Judy
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