short take: lead--another meaning?

Victor Steinbok aardvark66 at GMAIL.COM
Sat May 29 22:43:38 UTC 2010

Are you suggesting I misquoted or misinterpreted the quotation?

Or perhaps you believe that the statement, such as, "He led the league
in scoring for three consecutive seasons," means something like, "At any
point in the last three seasons, he had more goals than any other member
of the league." To be honest, I am not even sure there /is/ a reasonable
alternative interpretation that does not involve "winning" the scoring
"title", as you put it.

Sorry, I disagree with you, Dan--based on evidence. I have no problem
with disagreement on this issue, but you'd have to come up with a
reasonable alternative explanation of the actual use, not of the general
concept. Simply saying that it's impossible does not contradict
instances in the wild.


On 5/29/2010 5:44 PM, Dan Goncharoff wrote:
> "To lead" never means "to win". You can be leading during the season,
> but at the end of the season you either won or you didn't.
> You can lead a statistical category at the end of a season, however,
> unless leading a statistic wins something. For example, you can lead the
> league in hitting, but then you win the batting crown...
> DanG
> On 5/29/2010 2:57 PM, Victor Steinbok wrote:
>> ...
>> Now, what does one do when (s)he (it, if team, I suppose) finishes ahead
>> of the rest of the table at the end of the season? Maybe I am splitting
>> hairs here, but, it seems to me, the verb has evolved into "to win" or,
>> if no actual winning is involved, to finish ahead of others.
>>> Gomez, who entered camp after becoming the first American player to
>>> *lead* a foreign league in scoring when he scored 10 goals for Puebla
>>> in Mexico, recorded his first goal for the full team against the Czechs.
>> It's not that Gomez was /ahead/ of other players in scoring some time
>> during the season--he /finished/ the season as the top scorer in the
>> league. This particular variation does not strike me as unusual.
>>        VS-)

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