ont/ahnt (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Laurence Horn]

At 2:38 PM -0400 10/6/10, Paul Johnston wrote:
>Dan,
>You come from farther north in the Hudson Valley than I do--I merge
>them, as (pace Wells) people from New York City would.

This person from NYC does, like the others who have commented.

LH

>   I wonder if your area doesn't connect with New England in this
>regard, and wonder if people in the Albany/Troy/Schenectady area
>would distinguish them, too. (in other words, how far west does
>rounded LOT go?)
>
>Paul Johnston
>On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Dan Goodman wrote:
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>>  David Wake wrote:
>>>  Wikipedia has an article on the 'father-bother merger":
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>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_low_back_vowels#Father-bother_merger
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>>>  According to Wells, it's only in Newfoundland, Eastern New England and
>>>  (partly) New York City that they are distinguished within North
>>>  America.  Outside North America (including the Caribbean) they are
>>>  distinguished by all native accents of English.
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>>  I distinguish them, and I'm not from any of those regions.  It's
>>  possible that the Hudson Valley Dialect has undergone that change since
>>  my childhood.  (1950s, Ulster County NY.)
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