I cleep, you cleep, he cleeps
Joel S. Berson
Berson at ATT.NET
Sat Sep 18 14:56:40 UTC 2010
At 9/18/2010 09:31 AM, George Thompson wrote:
>It's still notable that this old word would have survived in the U.
>S. into the mid 19th C.;
The survival is notable. But I wonder whether it did so in the
U.S. The book was apparently first published in England.
>also: the sense of the word had shifted from "calling" the names of
>the boys the captain wants on his side,
>to that odd process of deciding which captain gets to call first.
I was uncertain about a shift in sense. Did the writer mean that the
cleeping was the "tossing of the feet" to decide which captain chose
first? Or did he mean what followed -- the calling out of the chosen
ones for one's team?
To me the process doesn't sound much odder for boys who didn't own a
bat than the one of my youth: One captain placed his fist around a
bat at some random point; the other his fist next to the first, and
so on. The one whose fist reached the end, preventing the other from
grasping the bat, chose first. But I confess the bat method always
did seem a little odd to me -- tossing a coin would be faster, and
less liable to chiseling. (A sly lad might gauge the remaining
distance and place his fist a little apart from the other's, or
attempt to push the other's back a bit.)
But perhaps impecunious lads didn't have pennies to toss, just as
English lads would not have had a baseball bat -- although they might
have had a quarterstaff.
Joel
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