Dialect Notes 1903: Word-List from East Alabama

Sun Sep 19 11:58:28 UTC 2010

It is true that the gee-whiz factor is fundamental to collecting
vocabulary.   Collecting everything would be an impossible and unnecessary
task.

It's just that in the unsystematic days before DARE questionnaires, the
defult assumption (if any) was "If it's new to me, and I heard it in this
offbeat area, it's probably peculiar to the area."
JL
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Exactly so, Jon. The author of this list specifically states that his
> examples are from the region around the former Alabama Polytechnic
> Institute at Auburn, now Auburn University, even noting that, e.g.
> WIFE is college slang for "roommate," whereas WOMAN is the local
> country-folks' term for a female spouse.
>
> As for "news to me," do you mean to say that that's *not* one of the
> ways in which a researcher distinguishes "dialect"/"slang" from some
> spoken or written standard? The author notes that the locals pronounce
> "what" as WHUT, presumably [(h)w^t). Assuming that [hw^t] is what he
> meant by that spelling, this would never have caught my attention,
> because that's the way that I pronounce it and the only variant that
> I'm consciously aware of, abstracting away from non-U.S. Englishes, is
> [w^t], I can't imagine how a native Southerner could have found the
> pronunciation [hw^t] of any interest, nor can I imagine what he
> regarded as the "correct" pronunciation.
>
> Likewise, when I lived in Saint Louis, anyone with hearing could
> distinguish a minimum of four local dialects, two white and two black,
> because he could easily hear three other ways of speaking that, in
> some sense, would be "news to him" with respect to his own version of
> the local dialect.
>
> --
> -Wilson
> â€“â€“â€“
> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"â€“â€“a strange complaint to
> come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
> â€“Mark Twain
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Jonathan Lighter
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> > My impression of the early lists in DN is that qualifiers like "...from
> Eas=
> > t
> > Alabama" mean only "That's where I heard it, and it's news to me!"
> >
> > Since most of the contributors appear to have been academics, it's safe
> to
> > say that most of their collecting was in and around their colleges. Hence
> > "spiel" in Wilson's list.
> >
> > For geezericious _Laugh-In_ fans, the HDAS files have "Sock it to..."
> back
> > to 1863. By 1903 it was temporarily on the way out:
> >
> > 1863 in Edward King Wightman _From Antietam to Fort Fisher_ (Madison,
> N.J.:
> > Fairleigh Dickinson U.P., 1985) 127: The boys say, "We are bound to sock
> it
> > to them this time." 1864, in Ibid. 176: Sock it to em, my hardies! [sic].
> > 1864, in Ibid. 183: Johnny Grayback attempted a big thing by
> > moonlight...with infantry, artillery, and cavalry. Well, sir, it would
> have
> > done you good to have seen us sock it to him. Jeru-salem! 1864, in Ibid.
> > 203: Our motto should be that emphatic though vulgar one of the rank and
> > file: "sock it to em."
> >
> > 1869 _New York Herald_ (Nov. 17) 8: You Hibernian son of a -----, I've
> got
> > you now, and I'll sock it to you anyhow!"
> >
> > 1875 _The World_ (N.Y.C.) (Jan. 12) 2: Â  Speech of William E.
> Dodge..."You
> > all of you agree with the President of the United States in that noble
> > sentiment of 'Let us have peace!' (Laughter and applause.) Â After ten
> years
> > we ought to have peace, and any attempt to raise feelings of anger in any
> > part of this country against the suffering South will meet with
> condemnatio=
> > n
> > overwhelming. (Great applause. A voice: "Sock it to him!" Great
> laughter.)"=
> > .
> >
> > [Read all about New York tycoon Dodge at Wacki:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_E._Dodge ]
> >
> > 1873 S. W. Payne _Behind the Bars_ (N.Y.: Vincent & Co.) 145: If their
> > likker don't set just right, then they sock it to us freed niggers till
> we
> > can't stand.
> >
> > 1878 _Proceedings of the Fire Underwriters' Association of the Pacific
> for
> > 1877 and 1878_ (S.F.: Sapulding, Barto & Co.) 36: Let each individual
> case
> > stand on its own merits; "each for himself" seems a far better motto to
> you=
> > r
> > committee than the famous one of Chicago, "Soc et tuum."
> >
> > JL
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> SOCK, v. tr To throw a stick vigorously. "_Sock it to him_."
> >>
> >> SNIPE-HUNTING, n. A practical joke in which the victim is led to some
> >> distant and _left to hold the bag_ for the snipe to run into.
> >>
> >> SNEAKERS. n. pl. Rubber-soled shoes, tennis shoes.
> >>
> >> SLUE-FOOTED, adj. Having big, ugly feet; also having twisted or ugly
> feet=
> > .
> >>
> >> Â  Â  Â  In StL BE, with feet turned outward beyond normal, the opposite
> >> of pigeon-toed.
> >>
> >> Â  Â  Â  "One foot, two foot, slue-foot drag / Shake your honey to the
> >> Sugar-Foot Drag." Old song: The Sugar-Foot Drag
> >>
> >> SMART-ELLICK, n. A[n] ... impertinent person.
> >>
> >> Â  Â  Â  Â  In E TX BE, especially of or to a child or an adolescent.
> >>
> >> 'SPECK, v. tr. and i. To suspect.
> >>
> >> Â  Â  Â  Â  I've always intuited the Southern _'speck_ wasn't "expect,"
> >> as it's usually spelled out, but "suspect." This is the first print
> >> support Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Â
> that I've ever
> >> found for that feeling.
> >>
> >> SPIEL, v. i. To talk fluently and in an exaggerated vein. "He can
> >> spiel, all right." (An East-Alabama Yiddishism?)
> >>
> >> STUD, n. A stallion. Also used as a term of familiar address among men.
> >>
> >> Â  Â  Â  Â  In BE, any random male person, from newborn to geezer.
> >>
> >> STORY, n. A liar, a story-teller. "You are a story." Euphemism.
> >>
> >> Â  Â  Â  Â  Â In BE, also the less-polite, "You (is/are) a lie."
> >>
> >> SO-LONG, adv. Good-bye. (Once peculiar to East 'Bama? Who knew?!)
> >>
> >> SAVE ONE'S MANNERS, v. phr. To do something out of courtesy [that]
> >> which one dislikes to do, only to find that the one favored cannot
> >> accept the courtesy; also, to ask one out of courtesy to do [that]
> >> which it is well known is out of the question for him to do.
> >>
> >> Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  Say what?! Needless to say, no examples are provided.
>  >> --
> >> -Wilson
> >> =96=96=96
> >> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"=96=96a strange complaint
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> >> come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
> >> =96Mark Twain
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