false-flag operation

Tue Apr 19 22:46:55 UTC 2011

Apparently when Jim Janos (alias "Jesse Ventura") was governor of Minnesota,
he governed under the name of "Jesse Ventura."  This may make him the only
person to govern a state under a stage name (or "ring name," to be precise).

Though besides serving a full gubernatorial term, Jim Janos has written
several books as "Jesse Ventura," he agreed with Piers Morgan on CNN that
"Jesse Ventura" is a "fictitious character" who "doesn't
exist." Janos (billed on the show as "Jesse Ventura") then explained that
"the day's coming" when he will "kill him."

This may make Jim Janos the first thoroughly post-modern ex-governor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNZa0KB6nmg

As to the fascist coup of 1963, "Ventura" (and Janos? who can say?) defines
fascism as "organized religion teaming up with big business to run the
government."

JL

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:

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> I don't have "false flag operation" in the Ventura/Lighter sense, but
> if anyone is looking for "false flag[s]" = "false colours", these are
> the only hits I found in EAN:
>
> 1)  1813:
>
> Thursday, Nov. 4.---Sailed, Gerrymander-Joe, Story; Three-tailed
> Bashaw, Johannas Caspar, ; [sic] George's Mistress, Von Richter;
> Honey Duck, Von Cronenskeldt---false flags, full freight for Salem,
> consigned to supercargo Senator Ben.
>
> Commercial Advertiser [New York}; Date: 11-10-1813; Volume: XVI;
> Issue: 6632; Page: [3]; col. 2.
>
> [A little skeptical of this as ship news, are we?  (EAN actually has
> classified it as "Legislative Acts or Legal Proceedings".)  A ship
> named "Gerrymander-Joe"?  What is the date of "gerrymander"? (OED:
> 1812). A ship named "George's Mistress"?  (1813 -- the War of
> 1812).  Capts. "Von Ritcher and "Cronenskeldt?  (richer?  crown
> gold?).  Etc. Well, the article is titled/subtitled:
>      HORSE-AND-OX-MARINE LIST
>      "Free Trade and Teamsters Rights."
>
> [The article must be a satire upon the Embargo Act of 1807 and
> subsequent Nonintercourse Acts, which (I'm told by Wikipedia) were in
> effect up to 1812 but "led to the War of 1812" -- so perhaps the
> issue was still festering in 1813 for those who had opposed the
> embargo.  In the absence of overseas shipping, the "Ship News" was
> transferred to land -- waggons, teamsters, internal colonial
> merchandise, etc.  Names of ships and persons are non-fictional, and
> taken from events of the year.
>
> [There are many (more than 20), varying. incarnations of this theme
> in 1813.  I searched for "horse-and-ox" and "horse marine".  Other
> terms from within the various articles might bring up additional (or
> earlier) articles, and there are false negatives as well.  The
> Commercial Advertiser article seems to be one of the longest.  The
> earliest I saw was:
>
>      New-Bedford [Mass] Mercury, page [3], vol. 7, iss. 11; Date:
> October 8, 1813]
>
>
> 2)  1824:
>
> The second article authorized the national vessels of the parties to
> enter and search merchant vessels under foreign flags. It necessarily
> resulted, that the boarding officers must, in their discretion,
> decide, whether this be a true or false flag, and of the character of
> the vessel, as well as the trade.
>
> [The article is about the "Convention with Great Britain, respecting
> the further Suppression of the African Slave Trade".]
>
> Enquirer, published as Richmond [VA] Enquirer; Date: 06-11-1824;
> Volume: XXI; Issue: 10; Page: [2]; col. 2.
>
>
> 3)  1830 for figurative use:
>
> NOMINATIONS
> ... it was proposed to hold a State Convention ... at the Capitol in
> Frankfort [KY] to nominate as a candidate for the Presidency "such
> person as will secure the triumph of the _American System and the
> Union_ of the States, against the now alarming doctrines of
> dissolution and nullification."---Insidious and subtle and false
> enough!---So Henry Clay is to be brought out under a false flag---and
> the friends of Jackson are to be held forth as the friends of Disunion.
>
> Enquirer, published as Richmond Enquirer; Date: 09-28-1830; Volume:
> XXVII; Issue: 41; Page: [3]; col. 3.
>
> [Apparently a popular expression in Richmond.]
>
> 19th Century U.S. Newspapers does not have anything earlier for
> "false flag[s]".
>
> Joel
>
>
> At 4/16/2011 01:09 PM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> >Former Minnesota Governor Jesse "The Body" Ventura explained to Piers
> Morgan
> >on CNN that "most wars are begun by false-flag operations." (I bet that
> >includes the American Revolution and the Civil War. Obvious when you think
> >about it!!! But maybe he just means recently.)  The discussion concerned
> the
> >events of Nine-Eleven and Ventura's assertion that John F. Kennedy's
> >assassination signaled a successful "fascist coup d'etat," which is still
> in
> >place. (He explained how the Obama administration proves it.)
> >
> >OED has no entry for "false-flag" anything.  GB has nothing on "false-flag
> >operation" before the 1980s.   Not that the idea hadn't been around.
> >
> >Of the Civil War, Whitman famously wrote that "The real war will never get
> >in the books."  What did he really know?? When did he know it??  Later, he
> >was dead.
> >
> >
> >JL
> >
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