Heard on The judges: "Ripping and running"

[Jonathan Lighter]

Thanks, Garson. Having read Motley's naturalistic novel about inner-city
Chicago, I can easily believe that the phrase appeared there. I may have
nodded and missed it.

JL

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Garson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:

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> Great finds Wilson! Here is [Rippin' and Runnin'] used in the title of
> a recording in Billboard magazine in 1952.
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> Cite: 1952 June 28, Billboard, Rhythm & Blues Record Releases, Page
> 37, Column 2, Nielsen Business Media, Inc.
>
> Rippin' and Runnin' - Tiny Bradshaw & Ork (Lay It) King 4547
> http://books.google.com/books?id=AR4EAAAAMBAJ&q=rippin#v=snippet&
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> In the prose domain the form [rippin' an' runnin'] probably appears in
> the following 1958 novel.
>
> Cite: 1958, Let No Man Write My Epitaph by Willard Motley, GB Page
> 155, Random House, New York. (Google Books snippet; Not verified on
> paper; Data may be inaccurate; Duke catalog concurs with date of
> publication)
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> They're rippin' an' runnin' to try to get some money to satisfy that
> Chinaman. That goddamn Chinaman's ridin' them so fast they ain't even
> got time to talk to you.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=PP1JAAAAMAAJ&q=rippin#search_anchor
>
> Here is a link to the Wikipedia entry for the author, Willard Motley:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willard_Motley
>
> The book was made into a movie in 1960. Here is the IMDB link:
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054021/
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>
> Here is a raw match in Google Books with a GB date of 1946. I cannot
> generate a snippet showing the excerpt, so I do not know much about
> it. The UNC catalog says volume 55 is dated 1946; vol. 56 is 1947;
> vol. 57 is 1948. Date probes produce information consistent with the
> time period.
>
> Coopers international journal: Volumes 55-57
> Coopers International Union of North America - 1946 - Snippet view
> No longer should we be set as individual workers after realizing what
> it means to be an organized group. Lay offs, lost favors with the
> company, are fruits of ripping and running on the job. A fair day's
> work is expected and ...
> http://books.google.com/books?id=KQh_AAAAMAAJ&
>
> The phrase used with a different meaning in 1909:
> 1909, Spices and how to know them by Walter M. Gibbs
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=hsUuAAAAYAAJ&q=ripping#v=snippet&q=ripping&f=false
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> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Jonathan Lighter
> > <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> HDAS couldn't find "ripping and running" in print till the '70s.
> >
> > I've been able to find documentation to take it back to 1965, with a
> > possibility of 1961.
> >
> > "Trouble at Home (Blues)," by Silas Hogan.
> >
> > Phrase: http://goo.gl/DiYgS (For "Look like..., read "Seems like...,"
> > to pick a nit)
> >
> > Album:  http://goo.gl/2ryQw
> >
> > Apparently, the single was released in 1961 or 1962. Cf. _Silas (my
> > maternal grandfather's first name, too) Hogan_ in W:pedia
> >
> > and
> >
> > Silas Hogan. Crowley, Louisiana, _ca. 1962_, Excello 2231, Blue
> > Horizon 2431 008, Trouble at Home. ©1965 Excellorec Music Co., BMI
> >
> > FWIW:
> >
> > Billboard - Feb 26, 2005 - Page 69
> >
> > Vol. 117, No. 9 - 72 pages - Magazine - Full view
> > IN ADDITION TO SHARING his checklist of career achievements — "Hard
> > work, _rippin ', runnin'_, kickin' down stools, having a ball and
> > loving up some of the most beautiful women in the world" — Jerry Lee
> > Lewis provided tidbits about his ...
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> > -Wilson
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> > to come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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