Throat singing

[Eric Nielsen]

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Eric

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at ix.netcom.com>wrote:

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> Snipping from your e-mail, the definition says, ""traditional esp. in
> Mongolia, Tibet, and adjacent parts of central Asia."
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> So, the point isn't "adjacent to Mongolia and Tibet" but "especially in
> Mongolia, adjacent to Mongolia, in Tibet and adjacent to Tibet."
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> Looking at Kazakhstan, I see it is 38 miles from Mongolia, and Uzbekistan
> is adjacent to that. So I can see your point that there needs to be an
> update, though it does not seem to be too bad, for Altaic throat singing.
> Tibet throat singing is listed under "overtone singing" in Wikipedia; is it
> a different type of singing?
>
> Inuit, of course, as well as Ainu need to be covered.
>
> Benjamin Barrett
> Seattle, WA
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> On Aug 14, 2011, at 7:59 PM, victor steinbok wrote:
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> > It's quite obvious that the Altaic-wiki includes neither Inuit nor
> Tibetan
> > overtone chant/singing--an exclusion that may well be acceptable for a
> site
> > dedicated to Altaic issues, but not for overtone singing in general. Both
> > Tibetan and Inuit distributions are significant and the OED entry was for
> > "overtone singing", not "throat singing". That's the incomplete part. On
> the
> > other hand, I find it somewhat difficult to see something that is
> adjacent
> > to Mongolia and Tibet, since they are not exactly next to each other.
> > Mongolia is north of Central China and Tibet is southwest of China
> > (mostly--parts of former Tibet region are absorbed in southern Chinese
> > provinces). The only region that's adjacent to both is Xinjiang (on
> opposite
> > ends) and if Uighurs don't practice overtone singing, then the OED
> > definition is just wrong, not merely incomplete or questionable (although
> > there are more than just Uighurs in Xinjiang--Kazakhs dominate the
> northern
> > region). The rest of the overtone-singing region may be vaguely adjacent
> to
> > Mongolia (in a somewhat odd sort of way--minus the Inuit), but certainly
> not
> > to Tibet.
> >
> > VS-)
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at ix.netcom.com
> >wrote:
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> >>
> >> Looking at the countries where the eight ethnicities who practice throat
> >> singing live (according to the Altaic wiki, we have:
> >>
> >> Tuvan, Mongolian, Kalmyk peoples: Russia, Mongolia, China
> >> Khakas people: Khakassia, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Kemerovo Oblast, Tuva
> Republic
> >> Altay people: Russia, mostly in the Altai Republic and Altai Krai
> >> Buryat people: Buryatia Russia with smaller groups in Mongolia and China
> >> Kazakh people: Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, China, Russia, Mongolia
> >> Nanai people: Russia, China
> >>
> >> I don't know enough of the geography to say with much confidence, but
> their
> >> geographic description sounds reasonable to me.
> >>
> >> Benjamin Barrett
> >> Seattle, WA
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