_caramel_

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Here is an observation

1. arC, ar#: COT vowel: carmel
2. arV: MARRY/MERRY vowel: caramel

The vowel quality changes depending on the pattern.

Pedro





On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Could there one have been both a
>
> [kAr at mEl]
>
> and a
>
> [kar at m@l]
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> that eventually became
>
> [karm at l]
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> ?
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> I can't remember when I switched to the trisyllabic pronunciation, but
> it probably wasn't until after I got out of the Army at the age of 25
> and moved from Saint Louis to Los Angeles for good. My wife thinks
> that it was a grad student at at around the same age that she made the
> switch. IAC, we both somehow got the impression that bisyllabic was
> wrong and trisyllabic right, after growing up bisyllabic in regions a
> thousand miles apart.
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> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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> > My unreliable memory tells me I grew up out of
> > "carmel" (as in the candy, probably picked up on
> > the street*) into "caramel", each pronounced as below.
> > White, slightly earlier period, New York City.
> >
> > * No, not the candy, the pronunciation.
> >
> > Joel
> >
> > At 12/19/2011 01:21 AM, John Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >>Carmel--first vowel has COT sound
> >>Caramel--I say three syllables, the first "A" as in BAT.
> >>Demographics: Â White; grew up in the '50s & '60s in Wash., D.C. and
> adjacent
> >>Montgomery Co., Md.; parochial schools
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> >>Seán Fitzpatrick
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