tare (verb and adj.), tarer -- antedatings?

Wed Dec 28 19:34:51 UTC 2011

I think Ben is right, my 1598 and 1674 instances
of "tared" are "taxed".  Which would explain why
I thought the first meant "taxed"!  As well as my
mystification about the second.  The Gothic faced
"r" and "x" are almost indistinguishable.  But I
still claim I read the font better than Google Books Plain text.

However, the 1740 and 1753 still seem to be antedatings.

Joel

At 12/28/2011 01:57 PM, Benjamin Barrett wrote:
>Number 2 appears to actually be "taxed"
>(http://ow.ly/8cl8x), so perhaps number 1 is as well.
>
>The OED says the verb is derived from the noun
>and also from medieval Latin, Italian, Provençal
>and others. Some older dictionaries, however,
>say it is from Italian "tarare" to subtract.
>Google Translate says that "tarare" today means "calibrate."
>
>1. http://ow.ly/8cloz
>Tare [tara of tarare, Ital. to subtract]
>To Tare [tarare, It.]
>
>2. http://ow.ly/8cltz
>TARE [of tarare, Ital. to subtract
>
>Benjamin Barrett
>Seattle, WA
>
>On Dec 28, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
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> > "tare" the verb, from 1812, seems rather late compared to "tare" the
> > noun, from 1486.
> >
> > 1)  1598.  Linschoten, Jan Huygen van.  Iohn Huighen van Linschoten.
> > his discours of voyages into ye Easte & West Indies : Deuided into
> > foure bookes.  London, [1598].  The fourth Booke.  Page [451].
> >
> > "The Salinas (that is, the salt landes) belonging to the Crowne of
> > Spaine, are yearly tared to pay unto y king ninety three Quentos."
> >
> > "Tare", v.  Seems to mean "assessed, taxed".
> >
> > 2)  1674.  Reports of cases in law and equity: from 1670 to 1796.  By
> > ... Richard Freeman.  In the Savoy: Printed by Henry Lintot,
> > 1742.  De Term. Paschae 1674 / In Communi Banco.  Page 156 [p. 507 in pdf].
> >
> > "King versus Gogle. In C. B.
> > "Debt upon a Bond. The Defendant pleads, that it was conditioned for
> > Performance of Covenants in Indentures; and pleads Performance.
> >     The Plaintiff replies, that one Covenant was to pay so much
> > Money as should be tared by the Judge of the Spiritual Court.
> >     The Defendant rejoins, that the Judge tared nothing at all."
> >
> > "Tare", v.  The meaning is obscure to me.  (For your amusement,
> > download this as "Plain text" and see what GBooks makes of Gothic type.)
> >
> > 3)  ? 1740?  Definitely 18th century (probably not
> > earlier).  Archives of Maryland: Volume 42.  Snippet, thus no
> > reliable date.  GBooks says 1740, but I can't tell you why.  The
> > reference to "one Shilling Currency" (that is, the shilling of
> > Maryland as opposed to sterling) dates this to the colonial period.
> >
> > "And be it further Enacted, That all Flour, Bread, and other Cask in
> > which any of the Country Produce aforesaid is contained, or intended
> > to be sold or shipped off, shall be packed in well-seasoned Casks,
> > and be justly and truly tared on the Bulge thereof, on the Penalty of
> > one Shilling Currency, and every Barrel or Cask that shall appear on
> > Trial to be tared above Four Pounds over and above ...
> >
> > "Tare", v.
> >
> > 4)  1753.  Laws of the Stanneries of Cornwall, Made at the
> > Convocation or Parliament of Tinners, at Truro, Sept. 13, Anno 27[o]
> > Geo. II.  Printed by Order of the Convocation.  Apparently undated,
> > but 27 George II is 1752 or 1753.  The Contents page refers to
> > "Convocation held at Truro, &c. 1752".  GBooks asserts 1753 for the
> > publication.  Page 16.
> >
> > "9. We find that if any of the tin be tared, [? adj.] wherein the
> > owner of the tin thinketh himself aggrieved, he mail have his tryal
> > by a jury of tinners, if he requireth the fame; and if the tin so
> > tared, [? adj.] prove defective to the full value assessed by the
> > inquisition, the owner of that tin shall pay the cost of that jury,
> > and make abatements to the agents, according to the defects of the
> > tin; but if the tin be not found faulty to the value assessed by the
> > tarer, then the' person or persons that so take upon him or them to
> > assess such tare upon the tin for the tinner, shall pay the cost of
> > the jury, and damage to be levied by fieri facias from the steward of
> > the Stannary where the tin is so tared. [? verb]"
> >
> > "Tarer", postdates 1625.  (The OED definition fits this context
> > closely -- "An assay-officer of the stannaries, who ascertained the
> > amount of dross or foreign matter in the tin.").  And perhaps "tarer"
> > is no longer obsolete -- is the market employee who allows on the
> > scale for the tare, a tarer?
> >
> > Here I think "tared" is used both as a verb and an adjective.
> >
> > "Tared", adj., antedates 1854.  Seems to fit the OED's "tared adj. of
> > which the tare or weight when empty has been ascertained.".
> >
> > "Tared", v.:  Is the meaning somewhat variant from the OED's "To
> > ascertain, allow for, or indicate the tare of."?
> >
> > Joel
>
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