zzz?

[Jonathan Lighter]

"catching Z's" (withvariants like "getting" and "copping") has been around
since the '50s, as the Z's of HDAS will someday show, Oxford willing and the
river don't rise.

JL

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Garson O'Toole
<adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:

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> I do not know the best way to trace the history of ZZZ as a signifier
> for sleep in comics. But absent additional responses here is another
> comment.
>
> Within the ProQuest Historical Newspapers database some of the panels
> of comics are placed in separate entries and assigned names like
> "Comic 2 -- No Title" and "Comic 7 -- No Title". ProQuest performs OCR
> (optical character recognition) on these comic strips but the results
> are poor. When I searched for the terms "ZZZ" and "ZZZZ" within this
> restricted set (Document Title: Comic) almost all the matches were
> false.
>
> Nevertheless, I did find an example of ZZZZ emerging from a sleeping
> character in a newspaper comic strip dated 1927. The individual strip
> was titled "The Hypnotist" and the series was called "Winnie Winkle,
> The Breadwinner". The strip panels depict five instances of sleeping
> characters with Zs and dashes in thought balloons or nearby, e.g.,
> ZZ-ZZ-Z. Other examples can probably be acquired with this type of
> strategy.
>
> Cite: 1927 March 9, Chicago Daily Tribune, Comic 7, "Winnie Winkle,
> The Breadwinner: The Hypnotist", Page 33, Tribune Publishing Company,
> Chicago, Illinois. (ProQuest Historical Newspapers)
>
>
> In 1921 ZZZZ appears in the title of a comic, but the referent is the
> sound of a mosquito. The term does not occur within the comic itself.
>
> Cite: 1921 July 23, Chicago Daily Tribune, Comic 2, "The Gumps -
> ZZZZ!!!", Page 7, Tribune Publishing Company, Chicago, Illinois.
> (ProQuest Historical Newspapers)
>
>
> In 1923 BZZZ-ZZZ is used to represent gossiping. Several instances are
> located within speech balloons. The number of Zs and dashes is
> variable.
>
> Cite: 1923 January 24, Chicago Daily Tribune, Comic 6, "Winnie Winkle,
> The Breadwinner: So This Is Dinkeyville!", Page 19, Tribune Publishing
> Company, Chicago, Illinois. (ProQuest Historical Newspapers)
>
> Others may have written material relevant to your topic in histories
> of the semiotics or iconography of comics. There is a discussion in
> the archive of this mailing list about the history of the speech
> balloon or speech bubble.
>
> It might be possible to find useful material by searching Google Books
> to find topical books or chapters. Perhaps keywords like the following
> in combination or others that you think of might help: history, comic,
> cartoon,  onomatopoeic, "onomatopoeic words", semiotics, semantics,
> zzz, zzzz, sleep, asleep.
>
> Good luck,
> Garson
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Here's a possible "when." Back in the '40's, the speech-balloon often,
> > or even usually, contained not only Z's, but also a crosscut handsaw
> > sawing a log. Snoring and sawing wood have been equated at least since
> > 1912.
> >
> > http://goo.gl/u71zC
> >
> > -Wilson
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> > All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"Ä â‚¬â€œÄ â‚¬â€œa strange
> complaint to
> > come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
> > -Mark Twain
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:44 PM, James Harbeck <jharbeck at sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
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> >> If I were to want to trace the history of the use of ZZZ for snoring
> >> in cartoons, what would be my best way of doing that? I have to
> >> assume that there's something better than dumpster-diving old comic
> >> books (wherever they even may be found), but I'm not entirely sure
> >> where to start looking.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> James Harbeck
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