"warthog" with glottal stop

[Paul Johnston]

On Jan 15, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:

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> Yes.  My "dog" is like a Georgian "Go Dawgs" but all other "og" words have =
> "ah" ~aa for the vowel. =20
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> But the awe-dropping trend is very persuasive.  I catch my wife saying "toc=
> k" for "talk" and ~Shaan for "Shawn" among other swaps.  So I "correct" her=
> .  I say "tock"?  "tock"?  Doesn't that go over big.  So watch out.  Your v=
> ery name is in jeopardy of change from ~Paul to ~Paal.  My cousins name has=
> been evolving from Paula ~Paulu to ~Paalu=2C rhymes with Walla Walla by my=
>  wife and my cousins wife.  I wonder if women are more persuaded to do it.=
> Lord knows they talk (tock) more.
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> For "warthog" the glottal works nicely before the pronounced "h".  If the "=
> t" is pronounced as a real ~t=2C then the "h" seems to dissappear and the w=
> ord seems to become war-tog ~wortaag=2C which doesn't seem right unless som=
> e effort is inserted to go from ~t to ~h=2C which is probably too much trou=
> ble for most just for pronunciation sake.
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> Tom Zurinskas=2C from Conn 20 yrs=2C then Tenn 3=2C NJ 33=2C now FL 8.
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>> Tom=2C
>> You finally showed a feature that isn't Inland Northern--no=2C not the gl=
> ottal stop at the end of a syllable before a consonant beginning the next o=
> ne=2C which is widely distributed from what I can CAUGHT in all -og words=
> =2C a low-back rounded vowel (sometimes unrounded with the whole CAUGHT cla=
> ss=2C but never merged with the COT vowel). Like me=2C you probably have th=
> e vowel in CAUGHT only in the word dog=3B all other -og items have the vowe=
> l of COT). My Midwestern wife laughs at me for this.
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>> Paul Johnston
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>> On Jan 15=2C 2011=2C at 4:24 PM=2C Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>> It's glottal stop for me=3D2C ~wor'haag. My history is below in my auto=
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>>> Tom Zurinskas=3D2C from Conn 20 yrs=3D2C then Tenn 3=3D2C NJ 33=3D2C no=
> w FL 8.
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> el.com
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>>>> Poster: Neal Whitman <nwhitman at AMERITECH.NET>
>>>> Subject: "warthog" with glottal stop
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>>>> My son Doug and his friend were playing "Halo Reach" yesterday=3D2C an=
> d kep=3D
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>>>> talking about some kind of attack vehicle or robot called a warthog. A=
> fte=3D
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>>>> I'd listened for about half an hour=3D2C there was no doubt: They were
>>>> pronouncing "warthog" as [wOr?hag]=3D2C with /t/ realized as a glottal=
> stop=3D
>>> .
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>>>> Later I asked to record Doug saying the word=3D2C which I'd written ou=
> t. He
>>>> reproduced the glottal stop pronunciation. As I was about to record my
>>>> pronunciation=3D2C for later comparison=3D2C he said it again=3D2C thi=
> s time as
>>>> [wOrDag]=3D2C saying that he alternated between that and the earlier o=
> ne
>>>> depending on the situation. To me=3D2C his second pronunciation sounde=
> d eve=3D
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>>>> weirder=3D2C because it sounded like "war dog".
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>>>> My pronunciation has intervocalic flap as well as the [h]: [wOrDhag].
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>>>> I grew up in Texas=3D3B live now in central Ohio=3D2C where my sons ha=
> ve live=3D
>>> d all
>>>> their life. What pronunciations have you in other regions or walks of =
> lif=3D
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>>>> heard or used?
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>>>> Neal Whitman
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