googol

Jonathan Lighter wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM
Fri Jan 28 17:40:43 UTC 2011


Thank you.

But I didn't say it was easy.

JL

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:

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> Those who read both _One, Two, Three,  Infinity_
> and _Mathematics and the Imagination_ (where one
> should find the square root of minus one) at the age of 12 may be excused.
>
> Joel
>
> At 1/28/2011 10:51 AM, Laurence Horn wrote:
> >At 10:40 AM -0500 1/28/11, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
> >>I read the same book when I was twelve. And I remember the "googol"
> thing.
> >>But he didn't attribute it to his nephew.
> >>
> >>BTW, acc. to Google Books the passage doesn't exist.  Like the square
> root
> >>of -1.
> >>
> >>JL
> >
> >
> > From the OED, which I just realized might elucidate the matter, s.v.
> GOOGOL:
> >
> >1940 KASNER & NEWMAN Math. & Imagination i. 23
> >The name 'googol' was invented by a child (Dr.
> >Kasner's nine-year-old nephew) who was asked to
> >think up a name for a very big number, namely, 1
> >with a hundred zeros after it.
> >
> >I knew there was a young nephew involved, I just forgot whose.
> >
> >LH
> >
> >>
> >>On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Laurence Horn
> >><laurence.horn at yale.edu>wrote:
> >>
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> >>>  Poster:       Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU>
> >>>  Subject:      Re: FW: Pauli
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> >>>
> >>>  At 12:49 AM -0500 1/28/11, Seán Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >>>  >My father, who was a student of George Gamov at George Washington
> >>>  >University, told me of a time a student answered a query from Gamov
> in
> >>>  >class.  When Gamov looked at him silently,
> >>> he added anxiously " Isn't that
> >>>  >right?".  To which Gamov replied
> >>> "Right!?!?  That isn't even wrong."  This
> >>>  >would have been in the late '40s or early '50s.
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>
> >>>  Is that George Gamow of "googol" fame?  At least
> >>>  I recall first encountering "googol" and
> >>>  "googolplex" in Gamow's _One, Two, Three,
> >>>  Infinity_, where I recall he credited his young
> >>>  nephew for the term.  That was a while ago,
> >>>  though, so I may well be misremembering.
> >>>
> >>>  LH
> >>>
> >>>  >
> >>>  >It is perhaps relevant that though my
> >>> father was a very honest man, one of
> >>>  >his favorite quips had to do with "never
> >>> letting a slavish devotion to the
> >>>  >truth stand in the way of a good story".
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >Seán Fitzpatrick
> >>>  >Roses are #FF0000.  Violets are #0000FF.
> >>>  >
> >>>  >All of my base are belong to you.
> >>>  >
> >>>  >www.logomachon.blogspot.com
> >>>  >
> >>>  >  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  >From: Victor Steinbok [mailto:aardvark66 at GMAIL.COM]
> >>>  >Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 4:52 PM
> >>>  >Subject: Pauli
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >Wolfgang Pauli usually gets credit for the quit, "That's not
> right--it's
> >>>  >
> >>>  >not even wrong!" (or something similar, depending on source). The
> common
> >>>  >
> >>>  >reference for this is from Rudolph Peierls's 1960 recollections (I
> can't
> >>>  >
> >>>  >really call it an obituary):
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >Rudolph Peierls, "Wolfgang Ernst Pauli, 1900-1958." (Royal Society,
> GB)
> >>>  >
> >>>  >Biographical memoirs of fellows of the Royal Society 5:174-192 (1960)
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >Wiki not only highlights the whole episode in the article on Pauli:
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch! "Not
> only
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  is it not right, it's not even wrong!"
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >but even has a separate entry for "not even wrong":
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  An argument that appears to be scientific is said to be not even
> wrong
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  if it cannot be falsified (i.e., tested) by experiment or cannot
> be
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  used to make predictions about the natural world. The phrase was
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  coined by theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli, who was known for
> his
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  colorful objections to incorrect or sloppy thinking. Rudolf
> Peierls
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  writes that "a friend showed [Pauli] the paper of a young
> physicist
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  which he suspected was not of great value but on which he wanted
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  Pauli's views. Pauli remarked sadly, 'It is not even wrong.' "
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >It may be impossible to either verify or reject the origin of the
> >>>  >
> >>>  >phrase--Pauli died in 1958, leaving a large number of anecdotes about
> >>>  >
> >>>  >his life, but not a lot of biographical material, and the quip was
> >>>  >
> >>>  >originally supposed to be in German. However, recognizing Pauli's
> sense
> >>>  >
> >>>  >of humor, it is possible that he might have been mocking a religious
> >>  > >
> >>>  >argument that relied on a strawman
> >>> statement that needed a rebuttal, e.g.,
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >http://goo.gl/2yadK
> >>>  >
> >>>  >Principles of the faith in relation to sin. By Orby Shipley. 1879
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  Take three strict rules for guidance, in regard to devout jealousy
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  against falling into little sins.
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  i. Never to allow self-indulgence in any known fault, however
> small.
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  People, in relation to this rule, may be heard to say, " Yes ; it
> is
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  not right ; it is even wrong ; but, still, I do allow myself in
> such
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  and such a liberty."
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >My brief search revealed little useful information and the statement
> may
> >>>  >
> >>>  >well be original with Pauli. I thought I would throw it out into the
> >>>  >
> >>>  >ether and see if anyone has the stomach to check it out deeper (and
> >>>  >
> >>>  >perhaps check it out in German as well).
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >      VS-)
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >PS: I was wondering about the origin because Pauli's other famous
> quip,
> >>>  >
> >>>  >also cited in Wiki has an alternative origin.
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  "Well, I'd say that also our friend Dirac has got a religion and
> the
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  first commandment of this religion is 'God does not exist and Paul
> >>>  >
> >>>  >>  Dirac is his prophet'".
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>  >
> >>>   >As Wiki suggests, a similar statement was made much earlier about
> Robert
> >>>  >
> >>>  >Green Ingersoll. Although it's impossible to judge whether Pauli was
> >>>  >
> >>>  >familiar with the previous quip, the likelihood of coincidence seems
> >>>  >
> >>>  >rather small.
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