Missed-point dept. (origin of "Joe" (coffee)

[Dan Goncharoff]

Just a thought -- could "Joe" be influenced by "Java", which seems to be an
older term. "A cup of Java" goes back to the 19th C.
DanG


On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:33 PM, victor steinbok <aardvark66 at gmail.com>wrote:

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> It's not 1911, but Tea and Coffee Trade Journal (1945) has a description:
> "Silex is popular Joe pot". I won't bother you with unshortened links since
> I am at a borrowed computer at the moment, without my usual settings. There
> are a couple of other hits for "Joe pot" (among 145 raw), including 1980
> William Manchester's Goodbye, Darkness, and a handful from 1946-9
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> one that GB incorrectly tags as 1932), then a few more in the 1950s. The
> term has been recently resurrected in novels and memoirs--at least,
> according to GB. There is an apparently early citation (1943) in The Last
> Man on Wake Island, if the publication date is correct. A couple of sources
> suggest that "Joe pot" was not just a coffee pot or "coffee urn", but also
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> a
> coffee mug or cup, but that seems unlikely. A late Partridge edition cites
> Manchester in identifying the source of expression as US sailors in the
> Korean War, but that's much too late--it was certainly in use in the
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> by the middle of WWII to the point of being "beloved" and "ubiquitous",
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> citations identifying sailors, marines, pilots, radio men. There is a GB
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> for Kendall's Dictionary of Service Slang (1944), but no preview.
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> VS-)
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> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Gerald Cohen <gcohen at mst.edu> wrote:
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> > Here=C4=85s an earlier one:
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> > 1911 =C2=AD =C5=9AOsgar and Adolf=C4=85 cartoon by Condo; title:
> =C5=9AEv=
> ery Little Melody Has
> > Meaning of It=C4=85s [apostrophe: sic] Own=C4=85; _The Tacoma Times_,
> Feb=
> . 27, 1911,
> > p. 4; [misspellings below: sic]
> > First frame, Osgar to Adolf: =C5=82Diss moosik box shoult make you der
> or=
> ders
> > plain, Adolf.  For instance, ven id plays =C5=82Old Black Joe=CB=9B id
> me=
> ans coffee
> > mitoudt cream.  .=CB=9B
> >
> > This is mentioned in the book I co-authored with Barry Popik and David
> > Shulman _Origin of the Term =C5=82Hot Dog=CB=9B_, 2004. P. 105.
> >
> > Gerald Cohen
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