"That's racist!" [Was Re: Missed-point dept. (origin of "Joe" (coffee)]

[Jonathan Lighter]

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JL

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>wrote:

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> Thanks, Jerry, for the hat trick: antedating, etymology, and origin in
> short-order lingo - all in one cite!  (With bonus refutation of an original
> connection with Josephus Daniels!)
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> JL
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> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
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> > Just a thought -- could "Joe" be influenced by "Java", which seems to be
> an
> > older term. "A cup of Java" goes back to the 19th C.
> > DanG
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> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:33 PM, victor steinbok <aardvark66 at gmail.com
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> > > Subject:      Re: Missed-point dept. (origin of "Joe" (coffee)
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> > > It's not 1911, but Tea and Coffee Trade Journal (1945) has a
> description:
> > > "Silex is popular Joe pot". I won't bother you with unshortened links
> > since
> > > I am at a borrowed computer at the moment, without my usual settings.
> > There
> > > are a couple of other hits for "Joe pot" (among 145 raw), including
> 1980
> > > William Manchester's Goodbye, Darkness, and a handful from 1946-9
> > > (includin=
> > > g
> > > one that GB incorrectly tags as 1932), then a few more in the 1950s.
> The
> > > term has been recently resurrected in novels and memoirs--at least,
> > > according to GB. There is an apparently early citation (1943) in The
> Last
> > > Man on Wake Island, if the publication date is correct. A couple of
> > sources
> > > suggest that "Joe pot" was not just a coffee pot or "coffee urn", but
> > also
> > > =
> > > a
> > > coffee mug or cup, but that seems unlikely. A late Partridge edition
> > cites
> > > Manchester in identifying the source of expression as US sailors in the
> > > Korean War, but that's much too late--it was certainly in use in the
> > > Pacifi=
> > > c
> > > by the middle of WWII to the point of being "beloved" and "ubiquitous",
> > > wit=
> > > h
> > > citations identifying sailors, marines, pilots, radio men. There is a
> GB
> > > hi=
> > > t
> > > for Kendall's Dictionary of Service Slang (1944), but no preview.
> > >
> > > VS-)
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Gerald Cohen <gcohen at mst.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Here=C4=85s an earlier one:
> > > >
> > > > 1911 =C2=AD =C5=9AOsgar and Adolf=C4=85 cartoon by Condo; title:
> > > =C5=9AEv=
> > > ery Little Melody Has
> > > > Meaning of It=C4=85s [apostrophe: sic] Own=C4=85; _The Tacoma Times_,
> > > Feb=
> > > . 27, 1911,
> > > > p. 4; [misspellings below: sic]
> > > > First frame, Osgar to Adolf: =C5=82Diss moosik box shoult make you
> der
> > > or=
> > > ders
> > > > plain, Adolf.  For instance, ven id plays =C5=82Old Black Joe=CB=9B
> id
> > > me=
> > > ans coffee
> > > > mitoudt cream.  .=CB=9B
> > > >
> > > > This is mentioned in the book I co-authored with Barry Popik and
> David
> > > > Shulman _Origin of the Term =C5=82Hot Dog=CB=9B_, 2004. P. 105.
> > > >
> > > > Gerald Cohen
> > > >
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