goddam, goddem

[Joel S. Berson]

And someone made the assertion in 1895 --

       The life and adventures of George Augustus Sala: Volume 2 - Page 110

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       Five-and-fifty years ago it was habitually
given me by my schoolfellows at the Pension Henon
; but I read that more than four hundred years
since Joan of Arc used to allude contemptuously to " Les Goddams Anglais. ...
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Joel

At 3/11/2011 08:01 AM, Jonathan Lighter wrote:

>Thanks, Garson.
>
>JL
>
>On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Garson O'Toole
><adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>wrote:
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> > Poster:       Garson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM>
> > Subject:      goddam, goddem was Re: Albright College slang (1938) -
> > bimb(o)
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> > Jonathan Lighter wrote
> > > Cf. the assertion (which I've never double-checked) that the French of
> > some
> > > earlier century referred to British soldiers as "les goddams."
> >
> > OED (1989) has goddam (also spelled goddem) with a first unbracketed
> > citation in 1830.
> >
> > God-ˈdamn(-me), n.
> > 3. (After French goddam = Old French godon.) An Englishman.
> >
> > [1431    Joan of Arc in De Barante Ducs de Bourgogne vi. 116   Mais,
> > fussent-ils [les anglais] cent mille Goddem de plus qu'à présent, ils
> > n'auront pas ce royaume.]
> >
> > 1830    J. P. Cobbett Jrnl. Tour in Italy
> 8   It seems the ‘Goddems’
>„¢
> > are having some fun.
> >
> > Here is a cite in 1817. There are some earlier matches in Google
> > Books, but most are written in French.
> >
> > Cite: 1817 April 1, The Monthly Magazine (and British Register),
> > Landing in France, Page 207, Column 1, Number 296, Printed for Richard
> > Phillips, London. (Google Books full view)
> >
> > ... you proceed through the streets, amidst the gazing by-standers,
> > the jokes of disappointed porters, and the "Goddems" of impudent boys,
> > accompanied by the waiter of the hotel, to sit down and reflect
> > quietly upon the first impression made by this first noisy scene.
> >
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=JVAoAAAAYAAJ&q=Goddems#v=snippet&
> >
> > Garson
> >
> > Jonathan's comment continued:
> > > Or, if you insist: http://www.anu.edu.au/andc/res/aus_words/wwi/C.php
> > >
> > > Scroll down to "cark...".
> > >
> > > The ultimate source is a 1920s glossary of Australian soldier slang of
> > 1918.
> > >
> > > JL
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> Subject: Â  Â  Â Re: Albright College slang (1938) - bimb(o)
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> > >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Dan Goncharoff <thegonch at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Where was it that you heard the girls saying "bimbo"?
> > >>
> > >> Heilbronn am Neckar, Frankfurt am Rhein, Baumholder bei der Nahe.
> > >>
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