Heard on Springer: "Sex?" "No."

[David A. Daniel]

This concept goes back to the sixties at least, whereby hand sex and oral
sex are not sex. Any high school kid in those days (of which I was one) knew
that you had not had sex until penis had entered vagina - and not just
knocked at the door, either, had to be the real thing. (Frankly I don't
remember the status of anal sex - I'm not sure that anybody outside  British
boarding schools did that in those days... ;) Anyway, I was firmly one of
those who believed that Clinton had sidestepped the issue but had not
actually lied. I remember clearly having an argument with a conservative
friend, a few years older than I, about this topic and he insisted that
Clinton had lied. I said, "Now, Bill, think back to when you were a kid. You
know very well that you haven't done it until you've done it. We were
getting hand jobs and blow jobs at the drop of a hat, but you had not had
sex until it was 'all the way'. He nodded his head and said he had to agree
about that, but still didn't want that detail to be valid for Clinton
(natch). So, to the point: This is not a new concept at all, or a 'growing
norm' - it's just a norm. It is certainly not just post-Clinton.
DAD

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 2:37 PM
To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: Heard on Springer: "Sex?" "No."

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He did not have sex with that woman.

I think we've discussed this before.  There seems to be a growing norm in
America that "oral sex" is not "sex."  There was an article about it in
Harper's or the Atlantic at least five years ago.

Even during the impeachment I knew people who believed that while Clinton
hadn't told the whole truth, he hadn't outright lied either. In fact, I
wasn't sure whether I was one of those people or not. And I was born long
before ca1985.

Different strokes for different folks.

JL


On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Mid-twenty-ish black, male speaker:
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> "She comes over to me, Jerry. She unbottons my shirt and starts
> rubbing my chest. Then, Jerry, she unzips my pants!"
>
> Jerry:
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> "And then you had sex."
>
> Guest:
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> "No, Jerry. I got a blowjob."
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> Extra, added attraction
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> Jerry:
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> "Do you have any feelings for him?"
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> Twenty-ish, white, female speaker:
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> "No."
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> Jerry:
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> "So, it was just a one-time thing."
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> Guest:
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> "No. It was a few-times thing."
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> Nothing to see, here, folks. I just thought it was cute. :-)
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> --
> -Wilson
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> to come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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