"You want punched out?"

[Gordon, Matthew J.]

Discussion of American dialects on ADS-L? The end times are nigh!

The 'want + past part." is normally treated as one of the features of Midland grammar along with "need + past part." and positive anymore. In addition to the AS article Ben found, there's a survey of work in Murray and Simon's chapter in the collection they edited _Language Variation and Change in the American Midland_ (2006, J. Benjamins). Erica Benson discusses the probably related grammatical construction of 'want + prep. adverb' (e.g. we want off) in a Journal of English Linguistics piece from 2009. This usage is reported to be more acceptable in the northern dialect region.

-Matt Gordon

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From: American Dialect Society [ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ben Zimmer [bgzimmer at BABEL.LING.UPENN.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 1:06 PM
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Subject: Re: "You want punched out?"

I see now that "want + V-en" is treated in depth by Thomas E. Murray
and Beth Lee Simon in "Want + Past Participle in American English"
(American Speech, Vol. 74, No. 2, Summer 1999, pp. 140-164):

http://www.jstor.org/stable/455576

Their evidence does suggest that it's limited to the North Midland
dialect region, so Davis apparently betrayed his Pittsburgh roots by
using the expression in the Buffalo area.

--bgz


On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ben Zimmer
<bgzimmer at babel.ling.upenn.edu> wrote:
>
> The much-watched special election in New York's 26th congressional
> district (northeastern suburbs of Buffalo + western suburbs of
> Rochester) had a dialectal wrinkle to it. A couple of weeks ago, Jack
> Davis, the third-party spoiler running on the Tea Party line, was
> confronted by the chief of staff of the Republican candidate, Jane
> Corwin, outside a veteran's event. The video of the confrontation
> included Jack Davis saying, "You want punched out?"
>
> http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/tea-party-candidate-jack-davis-to-gop-tracker-you-want-punched-out-video.php
>
> I presume this is related to the "needs washed" construction.
> According to Davis's campaign bio <http://www.jackdavis.org/about/>,
> his family moved from Pittsburgh to Buffalo when he was a child. I
> know "needs washed" is common in the Pittsburgh dialect region, but I
> wasn't sure about Buffalo. This Linguist List post suggests it's found
> in Buffalo as well, at least among transplants from the Midland:
>
> ---
> http://linguistlist.org/issues/2/2-885.html#3
> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1991 23:08 EST
> From: <BRANDM at ACFcluster.NYU.EDU>
> Subject: Re: 2.866 Responses: Language & Culture, Washed, No way
> I am an originally a native speaker of a "needs washed" dialect. Even though I
> have lived in the NY and Boston areas since age 13, I never realized
> the form was not used by those around me until someone commented on it.
> Until age 13 I lived in the Akron area of Ohio. My parents are natives of the
> Akron and Columbus areas.
> The form has always been interesting to me both in terms of its origin and its
> structure. In recent years I have often remarked on the frequency of its
> occurence among speakers of the dialects that use it. Among them I have
> encountered a native of Buffalo (which led me to theorize that such usage was
> spread via Lake Erie), and a Scot from Glasgow. The native of Buffalo had
> lived much of her childhood in West Virginia however. [..]
> ---
>
> --bgz


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