firm believer that

[victor steinbok]

Maybe it's an aberration, but the latest example would not work for me--I'd
need a "who", not a "that". And "believer that pigs can fly" does sound more
odd to me than the original example, although not as odd as "that loves"
example.

VS-)

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at ix.netcom.com>wrote:

>
> I appreciate all the quick responses. Must be a slow Saturday night around
> the globe, not just here in Seattle :)
>
> "that pigs can fly" is the object of the verb "believe."
>
> Ordinarily, you would expect "believer that" to be used in a sentence like
> "I'm a believer that loves to imagine things."
>
> "I'm a believer that pigs can fly" seems odd keeping that in mind.
>
> I think this has to be chalked up to idiomatic usage.
>
> BB

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