origin of dese dem dose in NYCE

[Ronald Butters]

This vowel is also heard in New Orleans, and among older Black speakers in the South. Not too bloody likely that the Dutch had much to do with it.

On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:23 AM, James A. Landau wrote:

> There is a stereotype that people from Brooklyn pronounce /@r/ as /oi/ or /ui/.
> ("toidy-toid and toid avenue").
> 
> Could this be, contrary to your statement above, a holdover from Dutc

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