"awe" phoneme has disappeared

Tue Jan 31 00:37:03 UTC 2012

This from an ESL teacher at an ESL site:

"I feel that the use of ah/awe is dialectal. Not every US dialect even recognizes the difference. To simplify with my clients, I don't even teach the difference. They have bigger issues to make their speech more intelligible!"

There goes the "awe" phoneme.

Tom Zurinskas, Conn 20 yrs, Tenn 3, NJ 33, now Fl 9.
See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk

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> Poster: Michael Newman <michael.newman at QC.CUNY.EDU>
> Subject: Re: "awe" phoneme has disappeared
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> The answer is minimal pair drills in preschool to 6th grade. This merge must be stopped! If not, America might as well end up as the 11th province. ;)
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> Michael Newman
> Associate Professor of Linguistics
> Queens College/CUNY
> michael.newman at qc.cuny.edu
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> On Jan 30, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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> > Poster: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
> > Subject: Re: "awe" phoneme has disappeared
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> > Thanks Paul. But I'm afraid you're too optimistic. My cousin from CT call=
> > s her son ~Shaan now instead of ~Shaun (written name is "Shawn") as she use=
> > d to. My wife and she both call my other cousin from CT (written name "Pau=
> > la") Polla ~Paalu now. It's in the media now. Everywhere. My wife's catc=
> > hing it. Do me a favor and always correct them when they say your name as =
> > "Poll" ~Paal insted of "Paul" ~Paul=2C and I will stand in precious awe of =
> > you.
> > =20
> > Meanwhile m-w.com is mispronouncing the word "awe" as "ah". It's all over =
> > now. Even though the symbol is for "awe" the speaker says "ah".
> >
> > Tom Zurinskas=2C Conn 20 yrs=2C Tenn 3=2C NJ 33=2C now Fl 9.
> > See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk
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> >
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> >> Poster: Paul Johnston <paul.johnston at WMICH.EDU>
> >> Subject: Re: "awe" phoneme has disappeared
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> >> Tom=2C don't worry about your precious "awe" phoneme--there's been some e=
> > rosion=2C but both my native NY/N NJ dialect=2C and the dialect of the stud=
> > ents I teach in W MI preserve it just fine. For me cot =3D [kat] and caught=
> > =3D [ko at t]. There are plenty just like me=2C as you must know from your ye=
> > ars in NJ=2C if not CT.
> >> =20
> >> Paul Johnston
> >> On Jan 29=2C 2012=2C at 10:59 PM=2C Gordon=2C Matthew J. wrote:
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> >>> Poster: "Gordon=2C Matthew J." <GordonMJ at MISSOURI.EDU>
> >>> Subject: Re: "awe" phoneme has disappeared
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> >>> The discussion in the Atlas of North American English (Labov=2C Ash=2C =
> > and Boberg 2006) suggests the merger of the vowels in LOT and THOUGHT has b=
> > een widespread across Canada (outside some parts of the Atlantic provinces)=
> > for at least several generations and maybe as long as 150 years.
> >>>
> >>> -Matt Gordon
> >>> ________________________________________
> >>> From: American Dialect Society [ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] on behalf of To=
> > m Zurinskas [truespel at HOTMAIL.COM]
> >>> Sent: Sunday=2C January 29=2C 2012 9:05 PM
> >>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >>> Subject: Re: "awe" phoneme has disappeared
> >>>
> >>> Are you saying that the English phoneme "awe" is not in existance anymo=
> > re in Canada? You know that for sure?
> >>>
> >>> In their Englishaccent.com faq section they say " If you already have n=
> > o difficulty communicating=2C then improving your pronunciation is unnecess=
> > ary=2C unless you have some strong personal motivation to sound more like a=
> > native speaker of American or Canadian English."
> >>>
> >>> Looks to me they are saying that the "awe" phoneme does not exist in US=
> > A as well. Is this prescriptionistic? They have a niice prograrm here but t=
> > hey are saying that walk is to be pronounced "wok" and that the "awe" phone=
> > me does not exist. This is not right. They need to include it. That would b=
> > e "awe"some.
> >>>
> >>> Tom Zurinskas=2C Conn 20 yrs=2C Tenn 3=2C NJ 33=2C now Fl 9.
> >>> See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk
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> >>>
> >>>>
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> >>>> Poster: "Gordon=2C Matthew J." <GordonMJ at MISSOURI.EDU>
> >>>> Subject: Re: "awe" phoneme has disappeared
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> >>>> Yes=2C how dare those Canadians develop a tutorial that accurately des=
> > cribes their phonological inventory!
> >>>> http://www.englishaccentcoach.com/about.aspx
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________________
> >>>> From: American Dialect Society [ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] on behalf of T=
> > om Zurinskas [truespel at HOTMAIL.COM]
> >>>> Sent: Sunday=2C January 29=2C 2012 1:26 PM
> >>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >>>> Subject: "awe" phoneme has disappeared
> >>>>
> >>>> It finally happened. The phoneme "awe" (backward c in IPA) has disappe=
> > ared from US English tutorials.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/6vfvuvs
> >>>>
> >>>> The same phonetic symbol is given for "pot" "walk" and "clock" where e=
> > ach take the "ah" ~aa sound. There is no symbol for the "awe" ~au sound. by=
> > e bye.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please help save the "awe" phoneme=2C before it's too late.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom Zurinskas=2C Conn 20 yrs=2C Tenn 3=2C NJ 33=2C now Fl 9.
> >>>> See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk
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