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[Joel S. Berson]

Then there are the Jackson beans, on which Maverick subsisted.

Joel

At 7/18/2012 09:06 PM, Victor Steinbok wrote:
>This deserves a bit of a "Duh!". I picked up the Wiki line from the
>preview. But there is more in the full Wiki article:
>
>>In the Southern United States the Sieva type are traditionally called
>>butter beans, also otherwise known as the Dixie or Henderson type. In
>>that area, lima beans and butter beans are seen as two distinct types
>>of beans.
>>In the United Kingdom, "butter beans" refer to either dried beans
>>which can be purchased to re-hydrate, or the canned variety which are
>>ready to use. In culinary use, lima beans and butter beans are
>>distinctly different, the former being small and green, the latter
>>large and yellow. In areas where both are considered to be lima beans,
>>the green variety may be labeled as "baby" (and less commonly
>>"junior") limas.
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>     VS-)
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>On 7/18/2012 8:25 PM, Victor Steinbok wrote:
>>Being a non-native speaker, I don't have a dialect to adhere to, but I
>>have least contact with various Southern dialects, particularly
>>Eastern Appalachia. But what I've seen of "butter beans" is the exact
>>opposite of the description below: The ones I've seen and heard
>>identified as "butter beans" are very large lima beans that are no
>>longer green (the frozen large beans are usually identified as lima
>>beans). This meshes well with the nickname of a rather infamous former
>>cop and boxer who went by the name "Butterbean". His claim to fame was
>>being large and squishy (i.e., fat), with a shaved head, and carrying
>>a monster punch. But he was more of a celebrity attraction than a
>>competitive boxer. Still, the whole point was the idea of something
>>large and white. I am not questioning DARE--I just think, in this
>>case, it failed to identify the limits on the range of the expression
>>correctly.
>>
>>     VS-)
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>>PS: Goya has a canned product labeled "butter beans"--they are large
>>pale yellow beans, likely white in their raw state.
>>
>>PPS: Wiki disagrees with DARE (and, therefore, agrees with me). But it
>>also restricts "Lima variety" to the larger beans, although both the
>>larger variety and the smaller ones once originated in the area that
>>is now Peru (hence the name).
>>
>>>The term "butter bean" is widely utilized for a large, flat and
>>>yellow/white variety of lima bean (/P. lunatus/ var. /macrocarpus/,
>>>or /P.
>>>limensis/^<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaseolus_lunatus#cite_note-1> ).
>>
>>
>>On 7/18/2012 2:03 PM, Charles C Doyle wrote:
>>>In my dialect, the term "lime bean" hardly occurs:  They are all
>>>"butter beans."  DARE defines "butter bean" as "A lima bean, esp a
>>>small one"--with dots on the map throughout the greater South and
>>>the Midwest (and elsewhere).  I'm guessing that the "esp" part of
>>>the definition refers esp to the non-Southern places.
>>>
>>>--Charlie
>>>
>>>________________________________________
>>>From: American Dialect Society [ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] on behalf
>>>of Laurence Horn [laurence.horn at YALE.EDU]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:53 PM
>>>To:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>>>On Jul 18, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Wilson Gray wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Laurence Horn =
>>><laurence.horn at yale.edu>  wrote:
>>>>>string beans in my native dialect
>>>>=20
>>>>In mine, too. Do you also have "snap beans" and "butter beans"?
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>--
>>>Funny you should ask.  I don't (natively), but I've encountered both, =
>>>the latter just yesterday.  The Carolina Chocolate Drops, a great =
>>>trio/quartet of performers playing traditional and eclectic music, came =
>>>through New Haven this summer and played a great set on the Green, =
>>>featuring "Cornbread and Butter Beans"*, one of their signature songs =
>>>they've also recorded on a CD we just acquired--"Genuine Negro Jig"--and =
>>>my wife was asking me if I knew what butter beans are.  I tried to =
>>>describe them based on the version I've had in restaurants and the Yale =
>>>dining halls--sort of like lima beans but yellowish/beigish instead of =
>>>green--but there are probably more accurate descriptions out there. =20
>>>
>>>LH
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