any clues

[Joel S. Berson]

At 6/4/2012 12:36 PM, Garson O'Toole wrote:
>Sam Clements and David Barnhart both mentioned a variant "Pier 8"
>instead of "Pier 6". Below is an example of the variant that was
>printed in a newspaper in Augusta, Georgia. The domain was boxing and
>the match was taking place "at Sunnydale".
>
>Perhaps the sportswriter was familiar with a "Pier 8" that was known
>as a locale for brawls. The writer may have been unfamiliar with the
>reputation of some pier named "Pier 6" if it was in a distant city.

And there was probably not a Pier any-number for ships in inland
Augusta!  A bar for seamen, perhaps.

A "pier 8 brawl" was presumably more impressive than a mere "pier six brawl."

Joel

>Perhaps he was tailoring his writing to the local readers.
>
>Cite: 1933 June 16, Augusta Chronicle, Fighters on Monday's Card at
>Sunnydale Ready to Go, Page 10, Augusta, Georgia. (GenealogyBank)
>
>Kid Hatcher, who is meeting K. O. Matthews, the Blythe socker, in the
>opening four-rounder, promises to do some socking on his own account.
>Matthews will be remembered as the lad who stopped K.O. Howell in a
>regular "pier 8 brawl" on the last show.
>
>Garson
>
>On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 6:27 PM,  <sclements at neo.rr.com> wrote:
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> > Love to see your earliest hockey cite.
> >
> > Using newsperarchive quickly, 1928, boxing, pier 6.  From then
> until 1939, 132 hits, most boxing, some baseball.  but not all were
> pier 6.  I saw pier 8, pier 28,
> >
> > Sam Clements
> > ---- David Barnhart <dbarnhart at HIGHLANDS.COM> wrote:
> >> I'm looking for the origin of the expression _pier 6 brawl_.  It seems to
> >> have originated in hockey in Canada.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> David
> >>
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> >>
> >> barnhart at highlands.com
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