teaching awe-dropping

[Michael Newman]

There's a good deal of variation in NYC English on this. John I would put in the PALM group for many NYers (who often have three low back vowels). Dog is always CAUGHT, but fog and frog can go either way along with chocolate. There are relatively few cases of voiced stops following words descended from ME short-o however in COT. Most end up in PALM among good vernacular NYCE speakers. So god and guard are homonyms, but got and god are not minimal pairs.




Michael Newman
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On May 31, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Paul Johnston wrote:

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> Tom,
> Putting frog in the COT group (which I would too) marks you as localized, even among speakers who do not merge COT and CAUGHT.  I have the same pattern as you, since I'm from SE NY/NW NJ--all "og" words but dog go into the COT group.  Here in MI, in N OH and most of the Great Lakes where COT and CAUGHT are still distinct (thus excluding the Lake Superior area and Erie, PA), all "og" words go in the CAUGHT group.  John, too, goes into CAUGHT in non-merging midland dialects, as you should know from your time in S NJ.  It's a shibboleth in NJ, in fact, along with the degree of /o/- and /u/-fronting and the presence or absence of the MERRY=MURRAY merger.  You have those things, you're from cheesesteak land.
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> Paul (with a definite [O:~O@~o@] in the middle)
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> On May 31, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>> Teaching mispronunciation - The words "cough" and "astronaut" contain "awe"=
>> not "ah" phonemes in my book. The letter o makes several sounds. The most =
>> common representation of the short /o/ vowel sound is in words where the vo=
>> wel is in a closed pattern=2C such as in dot=2C hot=2C dock=2C frog=2C and =
>> clock. There are other ways to represent the short /o/ vowel sound=2C such =
>> as ou in cough=2C oh in John=2C and au in astronaut."
>> http://www.readinga-z.com/book/decodable.php?id=3D7
>> Tom Zurinskas=2C Conn 20 yrs=2C Tenn 3=2C NJ 33=2C now Fl 9.
>> See how English spelling links to sounds at http://justpaste.it/ayk
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